General definition of a derivative

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The general definition of a derivative is expressed as f'(x) = lim(Δx → 0) (Δy/Δx), emphasizing the limit as Δx approaches zero. The discussion raises a question about why the limit cannot be taken as Δy approaches zero, noting that the function is defined as y = y(x), which suggests focusing on the x-axis. There is also confusion regarding the notation f(x) = y and y(x) = y, with a recognition that f(x) typically replaces y, leading to some ambiguity. The conversation touches on the concept of notation abuse in mathematics and its frequent acceptance in physics. Overall, the discussion highlights the nuances of derivative definitions and notation in mathematical contexts.
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I was told that the general definition of a derivative is

f'(x) = \lim_{\Delta x \rightarrow 0} \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}
(supposed to be delta y over delta x, but I can't make the latex work :mad:)

but why can't it work when \Delta y \rightarrow 0?
 
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Because the function is y=y(x),so it's natural to consider the limit on the "x" (variable's) axis.


Daniel.
 
Oh, alright.

Another thing, what is f(x) = y or y(x) = y in normal notation? I thought f(x) replaced y, but the fuction y = y doesn't make sense, does it? I mixed up :frown:
 
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Abuse of notation,i don't know how much mathematicians do it,but physicists adore it.

Daniel.
 
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