General equivalent couple - force system

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The discussion revolves around solving a static mechanics problem involving force systems and couples. The key equations derived include the relationship for the position vector r2 as r2 = r1 + (F1 × k M1) / F1² and establishing that F2 = F1. Participants debate the implications of these relationships, particularly whether r1 must equal r2 if the forces are equivalent, leading to insights about the freedom of choice in defining these vectors.

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Homework Statement



Hello gentlemen!

I came across a real challeging problem about static, which states
the following: assume a force system is equivalent to a force \vec{F}_{1} and a couple M_{1}\vec{k} acting at a point \vec{r}_{1}. Find some point \vec{r}_{2} and a force \vec{F}_{2} so that \vec{F}_{2} acting at \vec{r}_{2} is equivalent to \vec{M}_{1} acting at \vec{r}_{1}.

As it is a little more difficult problem, the author provided a solution:
<br /> \vec{r}_{2}=\vec{r}_{1}+\frac{\vec{F}_{1}\times\hat{k}M_{1}}{F_{1}^{2}},<br /> and
<br /> \vec{F}_{2}=\vec{F}_{1}.<br />

Homework Equations



My first attempt was to use the equivalence of the couples:
<br /> \vec{r}_{1}\times\vec{F}_{1}=\vec{r}_{2}\times\vec{F}_{2}=M_{1}\hat{k},<br />
and the BAC - CAB rule for double cross product: \vec A \times \vec B \times \vec C = \vec B (\vec A \ldotp \vec C) - \vec C (\vec A \ldotp \vec B)

The Attempt at a Solution


That \vec{F}_1 = \vec{F}_2, it's obvious, because of the equivalence of the forces systems. So I focused on the equivalence of the couples.
I realized that only the last two members of the vectorial equation were interesting for this:
<br /> \begin{aligned} &amp; \vec{F}_{1}\times\vec{r}_{2}\times\vec{F}_{2}=\vec{F}_{1}\times M_{1}\hat{k}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \vec{r}_{2}\left(\vec{F}_{1}\ldotp\vec{F}_{2}\right)-\left(\vec{F}_{1}\ldotp\vec{r}_{2}\right)\vec{F}_{2}=\vec{F}_{1}\times M_{1}\hat{k}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \vec{r}_{2}=\frac{\left(\vec{F}_{1}\ldotp\vec{r}_{2}\right)\vec{F}_{2}+\vec{F}_{1}\times M_{1}\hat{k}}{\vec{F}_{1}\ldotp\vec{F}_{2}}.<br /> \end{aligned}<br />So my point is: if there is freedom to choose both \vec{r}_{2} and \vec{F}_{2} , it's not possible to assume that these vectors should be related to the parameters of the problem, \vec{r}_{1}, \vec{F}_{1} and M_{1}\hat{k} as the author requires in his solution. Am I right or am I missing something really important on this issue?
 
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Looks to me like you missed the easy part. If the net force on the system is originally F1, and the net force is to be held constant, then F2 = F1. Doesn't that enable you to finish your development of r2?
 
Well, basically, if \vec{F}_1 = \vec{F}_2, then it will be mandatory that \vec{r}_1 = \vec{r}_2, don't you think? Even if I put this reasoning forward, the result would be strange:
<br /> \begin{aligned}\vec{r}_{2} &amp; =\frac{\left(\vec{F}_{1}\ldotp\vec{r}_{2}\right)\vec{F}_{1}+\vec{F}_{1}\times M_{1}\hat{k}}{F_{1}^{2}}\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{\left(\vec{F}_{1}\ldotp\vec{r}_{1}\right)\vec{F}_{1}+\vec{F}_{1}\times M_{1}\hat{k}}{F_{1}^{2}}\\<br /> &amp; =r_{1}\cos\theta\hat{F}_{1}+\frac{\vec{F}_{1}\times M_{1}\hat{k}}{F_{1}^{2}}<br /> \end{aligned}<br />
 
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