General Solutions to a Linear System

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The discussion revolves around the general solutions to linear systems, specifically the relationship between particular and homogeneous solutions. Participants explore whether the general solution can be expressed in forms other than the standard P + H, including variations like P - H or P + 2H.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that a general solution to a linear system is composed of a particular solution (P) and a homogeneous solution (H).
  • Another participant argues that the homogeneous solution can consist of any scalar multiples of several independent solutions, not just a single solution.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate that the general homogeneous solution can be expressed as a combination of independent solutions, leading to a general solution of the form P + H.
  • It is noted that while particular solutions are not unique, the difference between two particular solutions is always a multiple of the homogeneous solution.
  • A later reply questions whether the general solution can include forms like P - H or P + 2H, suggesting that coefficients can vary.
  • Another participant counters that the general solution must adhere to the form P + H, but acknowledges the possibility of including different coefficients in the homogeneous part.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the general solution can take forms other than P + H, with some asserting that variations like P - H or P + 2H are valid, while others maintain that the standard form is necessary. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific examples and definitions, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the uniqueness of particular solutions and the implications of different forms of the general solution.

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That Wiki page is badly written (ever heard the saying "free stuff is often work exactly what you paid for it"?)

The homogeneous solution can be more general than just scalar multiples of a single solution. It can be any scalar multiples of several independent solutions.

For example consider the equation system (1 equation with 3 variables)
x + 2y + 3z = 6

The homogeneous equation is
x + 2y + 3z = 0

Two independent homogeneous solutions of this are
x = 2, y = -1, z = 0
x = 3, y = 0, z = -1

They are called "independent" because one of them is NOT a multiple of the other.

The general homogenous solution is the sum of multiples of each independent solution, which is
x = 2A + 3B, y = -A, z = - B
where A and B are two arbitrary constants.

A particular solution of
x + 2y + 3z = 6
is x = 1, y = 1, z = 1

You can't muliply the particular solution by 2 (or any other factor), because
1 + 2.1 + 3.1 = 6
but
2 + 2.2 + 3.2 is not equal to 6.

The general solution is therefore
x = 1 + 2A + 3B, y = 1 - A, z = 1 - B

Note, the particular solution is not unique, but the difference between two particular solutions is always a multiple of the homogeneous solution.

For example
x = 6, y = 0, z = 0 is another particular solution.

The difference between that and
x = 1, y = 1, z = 1
is
x = 5, y = -1, z = -1
which is equal to the homogeneous solution when A = 1 and B = 1.

So, the solution sets written using different particular solutions might appear to be different, but they are really the same because they both represent the same infinite set of solutions to the equations.
 
AlephZero said:
That Wiki page is badly written (ever heard the saying "free stuff is often work exactly what you paid for it"?)

The homogeneous solution can be more general than just scalar multiples of a single solution. It can be any scalar multiples of several independent solutions.

For example consider the equation system (1 equation with 3 variables)
x + 2y + 3z = 6

The homogeneous equation is
x + 2y + 3z = 0

Two independent homogeneous solutions of this are
x = 2, y = -1, z = 0
x = 3, y = 0, z = -1

They are called "independent" because one of them is NOT a multiple of the other.

The general homogenous solution is the sum of multiples of each independent solution, which is
x = 2A + 3B, y = -A, z = - B
where A and B are two arbitrary constants.

A particular solution of
x + 2y + 3z = 6
is x = 1, y = 1, z = 1

You can't muliply the particular solution by 2 (or any other factor), because
1 + 2.1 + 3.1 = 6
but
2 + 2.2 + 3.2 is not equal to 6.

The general solution is therefore
x = 1 + 2A + 3B, y = 1 - A, z = 1 - B

Note, the particular solution is not unique, but the difference between two particular solutions is always a multiple of the homogeneous solution.

For example
x = 6, y = 0, z = 0 is another particular solution.

The difference between that and
x = 1, y = 1, z = 1
is
x = 5, y = -1, z = -1
which is equal to the homogeneous solution when A = 1 and B = 1.

So, the solution sets written using different particular solutions might appear to be different, but they are really the same because they both represent the same infinite set of solutions to the equations.

Thank you for the reply. So, if P is a solution to the original (or some point), and H is a homogeneous solution, the general set of solutions could be written as P + H , but not something like P-H or P+2H?
 
If H is the general solution, including undetermined constants, to the homogeneous equations, then the general solution to the non-homogeneous equations is of the form P+ H. Because you could always include "-1" or "2" in the coefficients for the general solution, that includes "P- H" and "P+ 2H".
 

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