Generalizing: Curl of a Function

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The discussion centers around the generalization of the curl of a vector field to dimensions greater than three. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and implications of extending the concept of curl beyond its traditional three-dimensional context, touching on related concepts like the cross product, alternating tensors, and exterior derivatives.

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  • One participant questions the ability to generalize the curl of a vector field beyond three dimensions, noting that while gradient and divergence can be extended, the definition of curl appears limited to three components.
  • Another participant suggests that generalizing the cross product, which is essential for defining curl, involves using the "alternating tensor" and explains its properties in relation to permutations.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of the Hodge dual of an exterior derivative as a means to generalize curl in higher dimensions, describing how the vector field transforms into different forms based on the dimension.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the insights and acknowledges the complexity of the topic, indicating a willingness to learn more.

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Participants present multiple competing views on how to generalize the curl, with no consensus reached on a singular approach or definition.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of extending the concept of curl, with references to specific mathematical constructs that may not be fully understood by all participants, particularly those new to the topic.

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Hello. I have tried to search all day for the answer to my question but could not find anything.

Is there a way to generalize the curl of a vector field to dimensions greater than three? It seems pretty straightforward to find the gradient and divergence of higher dimensional vector fields, but my calculus book only offers the definition: curl F := ∇×F, which appears to only work if F has three components. Or am getting something wrong?

I am also only in my first real analysis course, so I have not come across this kind of topic in that class yet.
 
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Not easily. The problem is that the best way to generalize the cross product itself is to use the "alternating tensor". That is the operator represented by \epsilon_{i_1i_2\cdot\cdot\cdot i_n} equal to 1 if i_1i_2\cdot\cdot\cdot i_n is an even permutation of 1 2 3 \cdot\cdot\cdot\ n, -1 if it s an odd permutation, and 0 if neither of those is true.
For example, when n= 3, \epsilon_{ijk} has 27 entries. \epsilon_{123}= \epsilon_{231}= \epsilon_{312}= 1, \epsilon_{132}= \epsilon_{213}= \epsilon_{321}= -1, and the other 21 entries are all 0.

With that w_i= \sum_{j=1}^3\sum_{k=1}^3\epsilon_{ijk}u_jv_k gives w_1= \epsilon_{123}u_{2}v_{3}+ \epsilon_{132}u_3v_2= u_2v_3- u_3v_2
w_2= \epsilon_{213}u_1v_3+ \epsilon_{231}u_3v_2= -u_2v_3+ u_3v_2
w_3= \epsilon_{312}u_1v_2+ \epsilon_{321}u_2v_1= u_1v_2- u_2v_3
precisely the cross product.


But, in n dimensions, \epsilon has n indices. In order to get a vector result, we would have to multiply n-1 vectors, not just two.
 
In a general space whose dimension is not necessarily three, the generalization of curl is a Hodge dual of an exterior derivative of the vector field. The vector field is a 1-form, its exterior derivative is a 2-form, and its Hodge dual is a (n-2)-form. Which is a scalar (a number) for n=2, a vector for n=3, a higher-rank tensor for n>=4.
 
Thank you for the help! Looks like I have a few things to learn about the topic.
 

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