Generating a negative voltage from a +24V DC source?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around generating a negative voltage from a +24V DC power supply. Participants explore various methods and considerations for achieving this, including the use of transformers and inverting circuits, while addressing the challenges of maintaining sufficient current output.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a simple method to generate a negative voltage from a +24V supply, expressing confusion about the operation of the power supply.
  • Another participant suggests using a center-tapped transformer to achieve a split supply.
  • A question is posed regarding the specific requirements for the negative supply, including whether it should replace the positive supply or operate alongside it.
  • Reference is made to inverting regulators and specific components that could be used for generating a negative voltage, including links to datasheets.
  • One participant expresses a preference for not building another power supply, indicating a desire for a simpler solution.
  • Another participant indicates interest in using an inverting circuit based on a DC-DC converter, seeking higher current output than 2A.
  • Discussion includes a specific inquiry about using the LM22677 component to produce a -12V output at 5A.
  • A later reply indicates that the original problem was resolved after clarifying a misunderstanding regarding the datasheet reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and preferences for generating a negative voltage, with no clear consensus on the best approach. Multiple competing views and solutions remain, and the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations regarding current output and the complexity of building additional power supplies, which may affect the feasibility of proposed solutions.

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I have a standard AC-DC rectifier that gives me +24V, 12.5A power supply. Now, I've a problem... what's the simplest way to generate a negative voltage between the rails?

This may sound silly but I really thought I could just use the power supply as I would do to generate a positive voltage, but just run an extra wire to ground the end with the higher potential. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the power supply works because it clearly didn't work.

I ran a search on "generating negative voltage" and saw a number of solutions involving ICs. But these have been proving quite expensive. I found it simple to invert the voltage, but maintaining a 12.5A output will be a problem. Will be great if someone can recommend me a solution! Thanks.
 
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You'll need a center tapped transformer to get a split supply.
dual-regulator-power-supply-circuit.gif
 
Do you want to:

Have a negative supply instead of the positive one?

Have a Positive and a negative supply, both 24 volts at 12.5 amps? (but not 12.5 amps from each at the same time)?

Have your 24 volts become plus 12 and minus 12? ie a split supply with a ground in the middle?

Have an additional negative voltage as well as the plus 24 volts, but the negative supply can be at low current?
 
Use this Linear Technology search page for inverting regulators.

http://parametric.linear.com/html/inverting_regulators?p=1676990

See page 24 in

http://cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3758f.pdf

for positive input to negative output application using LT3758.

Bob S
 
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^dlgoff: I'll preferably not build another power supply =/ But thanks nonetheless for letting me know about the center-tapped transformer... I'll use that someday if I need a low-noise application.

^vk6kro: I'll like to have the first one: a negative supply instead of the positive one. My supply actually gives me 3 x 24V rails and 3 x 0V rails. I was thinking of something along what Bob S suggested - using a inverting circuit based on a DC-DC converter after one of the 24V rails.

It will be much easier for my application if I can get a higher current than 2A though; do you have an idea for that?

^Bob S: Cool, you always have something close to what I need. The -12V/2A output topology seems good... I think I'll use that if there's no other alternative.

What do you think of this LM22677? http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM22677.html#Overview I have it to produce 12V/5A... any idea how to get it to -12V/5A?

invertingpolarity.png


Thanks everyone!
 
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Oh wait, problem solved! I was referring to the wrong page of http://cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3758f.pdf

Much thanks for everyone's input!
 
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