Geometric optics and photography

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the principles of geometric optics as they relate to photography, specifically the behavior of light rays through lenses and the formation of images. Participants explore concepts such as focal points, focal planes, and the implications of using lenses for capturing images of extended objects.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a lens can capture images of all points of an object when the focus is described as a single point.
  • Another participant clarifies that while rays from a single direction focus to a point, a lens receives light from a hemisphere, meaning rays parallel to any direction focus onto a plane.
  • There is a suggestion that lenses have multiple foci, with one focus corresponding to rays parallel to the principal axis and others forming a focal plane for rays at different angles.
  • A participant notes that incoming parallel rays correspond to a point-object at infinity, and an ideal lens produces a point-image of a point-object, while extended objects can be viewed as collections of point-objects.
  • Field curvature is mentioned as a common aberration, indicating that the focal plane may not be flat, which can affect image focus on flat detectors.
  • One participant corrects another's terminology regarding the singular and plural forms of "lens."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the concepts of focal planes and the behavior of lenses, but there is also confusion and differing interpretations regarding the nature of foci and the implications for capturing images of extended objects.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of ideal lens models and the effects of aberrations like field curvature, which may not be fully resolved in their explanations.

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Hi there,
I have a question about photography. We know that in geometric optics, a bunch of parallel rays which going into the len will focus on the focus (a point). But as we see, the image is a set of points on a 2 dimensional plane. It is quite confusing that a focus is only a point instead of a plane. How can the len to catch the image of all points of the object?
 
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a bunch of parallel rays

You said it.

The diagram you speak of refers to rays coming from a single direction and are indeed focused to a point.

However from the lens' point of view it sees light from the hemisphere in front of it. Rays through each point on the hemisphere can come from any direction. All rays parallel to any given direction are focused onto a plane.
 
oh I see. So you mean for a len, there are more than one focus? Only the one corresponding to a bunch a rays parallel to the principal axis locate on the axis. All others foci are on a plane. As shown in the picture, the green rays will be converged in the focus on the axis and other parallel rays making an angle with the green one (as shown in red) will be converged in the focus located on a plane that the principal focus on, is that right?

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Studiot said:
You said it.

The diagram you speak of refers to rays coming from a single direction and are indeed focused to a point.

However from the lens' point of view it sees light from the hemisphere in front of it. Rays through each point on the hemisphere can come from any direction. All rays parallel to any given direction are focused onto a plane.
 
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Note that a bunch of incoming parallel rays corresponds to a point-object at infinity. In general, an ideal lens produces a point-image of a point-object. If you have an extended (non-point) object, you need to consider it as a collection of point-objects. From each point-object, the lens produces a point-image. The point-images taken together form the extended image which corresponds to the extended object.
 
KFC said:
oh I see. So you mean for a len, there are more than one focus? Only the one corresponding to a bunch a rays parallel to the principal axis locate on the axis. All others foci are on a plane. As shown in the picture, the green rays will be converged in the focus on the axis and other parallel rays making an angle with the green one (as shown in red) will be converged in the focus located on a plane that the principal focus on, is that right?

That is a good diagram. It's not that there is more than one focus, there is a focal *plane*.

Objects not at infinity don't greatly change the diagram that much.

A common aberration (field curvature) means the focal plane is actually a curved surface- that means your image (if you are using a flat detector) will not be in-focus everywhere. Your retina, which is curved, allows field curvature to be less problematic.
 
KFC said:
As shown in the picture, the green rays will be converged in the focus on the axis and other parallel rays making an angle with the green one (as shown in red) will be converged in the focus located on a plane that the principal focus on, is that right?

You got it.


P.S.
The word is "lens" - singular.
The plural of lens is "lenses".
 

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