Ghost Imaging - FLT, what is missing here?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of ghost imaging, particularly focusing on the role of idler photons and the implications of entanglement in the imaging process. Participants explore the mechanics of ghost imaging, the necessity of quantum entanglement, and the use of coincidence counters in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that idler photons can convey information about an object's shape to signal photons faster than light due to entanglement.
  • Others question whether the understanding of ghost imaging is complete, suggesting that coincidence counters are necessary for obtaining ghost images.
  • Links to research articles are provided to support claims about the nature of ghost imaging and its reliance on second-order correlation functions.
  • Some participants argue that quantum entanglement is not required for ghost imaging, citing that it can also work with thermal light due to correlated photon number noise.
  • There is a discussion about differing interpretations of entanglement and its relationship to coincidence counting, highlighting that correlation does not imply causation.
  • One participant notes that while less information may be used from a second detector, entanglement is still a topic of debate in the context of ghost imaging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the necessity of quantum entanglement in ghost imaging, with some asserting it is essential while others argue it is not required. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations in understanding the role of entanglement and the conditions under which ghost imaging operates, particularly regarding the types of light used (thermal vs. laser) and the implications of correlation in photon detection.

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In ghost imaging the idler photons can be used to get an idea of an object (say shape) in the path of the signal photons.

Is not the information of the shape of the object (in the path of the s-photon) being transmitted to p-photons (idlers) faster than light? (via entanglement)

What am I missing here? Is my understanding of Ghost imaging correct/complete?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13825
 
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San K said:
In ghost imaging the idler photons can be used to get an idea of an object (say shape) in the path of the signal photons.

Is not the information of the shape of the object (in the path of the s-photon) being transmitted to p-photons (idlers) faster than light? (via entanglement)

What am I missing here? Is my understanding of Ghost imaging correct/complete?

i think i found the answer:

To get the ghost image the s and p- photons need to be paired via a co-incidence counter.

Is the above reasoning correct?
 
Can you provide a link regarding this Imaging technique
 
my_wan said:
Yes, though ghost imaging is based on second-order correlation functions.

Direct and ghost interference in double-slit experiments with coincidence measurements
http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.2633

A Novel Algorithm for Ghost Imaging with a Single Detector
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1101.4869

The second link...i.e. with single detector, shows that quantum entanglement is not required.

then why (do scientists/papers/experiments) use quantum entanglement and Co-incidence counter etc?
 
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San K said:
The second link...i.e. with single detector, shows that quantum entanglement is not required.

then why (do scientists/papers/experiments) use quantum entanglement and Co-incidence counter etc?

That is what some claim and other differ.
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0608073

You will not always get good agreement on what constitutes and an "entanglement" either. For some it is the result of the coincidence count, for others it is the cause of the coincidence count. Remember the old warning: Correlation does not equal causation (even though causation always causes correlations). Coincidence count measure both, and the debate continues.
 
San K said:
The second link...i.e. with single detector, shows that quantum entanglement is not required.

then why (do scientists/papers/experiments) use quantum entanglement and Co-incidence counter etc?

Well, they do not really use just a single detector. They just use less info from the second detector than most other groups do. However, you are right that entanglement is not required. Ghost imaging works well with thermal light (but not with laser light) because the photon number noise in thermal light is also correlated (the second-order photon number autocorrelation function is not unity). This small amount of correlation is enough to perform ghost imaging.
 
Cthugha said:
Well, they do not really use just a single detector. They just use less info from the second detector than most other groups do. However, you are right that entanglement is not required. Ghost imaging works well with thermal light (but not with laser light) because the photon number noise in thermal light is also correlated (the second-order photon number autocorrelation function is not unity). This small amount of correlation is enough to perform ghost imaging.

thanks for the info
 

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