I Gibbs Energy and chemical equilibrium

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The discussion centers on the equilibrium condition for chemical reactions as described by Gibbs free energy. It clarifies that a closed system is at equilibrium when the Gibbs function reaches a minimum, leading to the equation dG = Σu_idn_i = 0. The confusion arises around the term "arbitrary variation" for dλ, where it is emphasized that while dλ is infinitesimal, it does not equal zero, allowing for the condition Σu_iv_i = 0 to hold true. The key point is that at equilibrium, while there are no net changes in composition, infinitesimal variations can still be considered mathematically. This understanding is crucial for grasping the conditions for Gibbs free energy minimization in chemical systems.
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Hi, i'll apologize for my english in advance, so here's the question.

I was wondering about the equilibrium condition for a chemical reaction. We know that a closed system is in equilibrium if the Gibbs free energy's function has a minimun in that point. So, taking Temperature and Pressure as constants (to ease the calculations) the first differential of Gibbs function would be:

dG = ∑u_idn_i = 0 (where ## u_i ## is the chemical potential and ##dn_i## is the infinitesimal variation of moles )

Defying the Extent of Reaction as

d\lambda = dn_i/v_i (where ##v_i## is the stoichiometric coefficient)

the formula can be re-arranged as

dG = ∑u_i(d\lambda v_i) = d\lambda(∑u_iv_i) = 0

then I don't get why my book says that ##d\lambda## is an "arbitrary variation" thus it simplifies in ## ∑u_iv_i = 0 ##
I mean if it is an equilibrium why would ##dn## be "arbitrary"? It should be zero because we can not have a variation in the composition of the system because, at the equilibrium, the properties of the system should remain unchanged.
 
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dRic2 said:
Hi, i'll apologize for my english in advance, so here's the question.

I was wondering about the equilibrium condition for a chemical reaction. We know that a closed system is in equilibrium if the Gibbs free energy's function has a minimun in that point. So, taking Temperature and Pressure as constants (to ease the calculations) the first differential of Gibbs function would be:

dG = ∑u_idn_i = 0 (where ## u_i ## is the chemical potential and ##dn_i## is the infinitesimal variation of moles )

Defying the Extent of Reaction as

d\lambda = dn_i/v_i (where ##v_i## is the stoichiometric coefficient)

the formula can be re-arranged as

dG = ∑u_i(d\lambda v_i) = d\lambda(∑u_iv_i) = 0

then I don't get why my book says that ##d\lambda## is an "arbitrary variation" thus it simplifies in ## ∑u_iv_i = 0 ##
I mean if it is an equilibrium why would ##dn## be "arbitrary"? It should be zero because we can not have a variation in the composition of the system because, at the equilibrium, the properties of the system should remain unchanged.

Read it in a different way: You are searching for the minimum of the Gibbs free energy function.

(dG/dλ)p,T = 0 = Σvi μi
 
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Thank you, I didn't see that... :)

Anyways, can you explain the mathematical meaning of:

"##d\lambda## is an arbitrary variation thus it simplifies in ##\sum u_i v_i = 0##" (Hope i translated it correctly from my book)

I still don't get it...
 
If ##d\lambda## is arbitrary, then ##d\lambda \times x = 0## means ##x = 0##.
 
Ok, but why ##d\lambda## is arbitrary? that's my question. Sorry if I wasn't clear
 
dRic2 said:
Ok, but why ##d\lambda## is arbitrary? that's my question. Sorry if I wasn't clear

The wording is somehow ambiguous. The quantity dλ is not arbitrary, it is by definition of infinitesimal size, viz. dλ is thought to approach zero as a limit, but doesn’t become zero.
 
Yes, but i don't get why dn (or ##d\lambda##) is infinitesimal (or whatever) and is not zero. Just I said, temperature and pressure are considered constants and so dT=dP=0, but at the equilibrium also dn should be zero because i can't have material transport from A to B. I think I miss something of the definition of differential...
 
dRic2 said:
Yes, but i don't get why dn (or ##d\lambda##) is infinitesimal (or whatever) and is not zero. Just I said, temperature and pressure are considered constants and so dT=dP=0, but at the equilibrium also dn should be zero because i can't have material transport from A to B. I think I miss something of the definition of differential...

What it all means: You simply determine the minimum of the function G(T, p, n1, n2, …., nn) with respect to variations in the ni’s; by this, you find the necessary condition for the Gibbs free energy to be a minimum: Σvi μi = 0
 
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