Goldstone boson state, conserved current

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Goldstone bosons in the context of symmetry breaking, particularly focusing on their relation to conserved currents and the implications of long wavelength approximations. Participants explore theoretical aspects, examples from condensed matter physics, and the mathematical relationships involved.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of "long wavelength" in the context of Goldstone bosons and seeks clarification on specific sentences from Peskin's text.
  • Another participant provides an example of a ferromagnet, explaining that the broken symmetry corresponds to the orientation of the magnetization axis, with long wavelength magnons representing uniform rotations.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the symmetry breaking in ferromagnets and the emergence of massless bosons, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the concepts involved.
  • Some participants argue that the appearance of Goldstone bosons is independent of whether the symmetry is completely broken or only partially broken to a subgroup.
  • One participant discusses the non-vanishing matrix elements of the current operator between the vacuum and Goldstone boson states, drawing analogies with non-relativistic systems like ferromagnets and crystals.
  • A participant describes the relationship between the Lagrangian's symmetry generators and the creation operators for Goldstone bosons, questioning the mathematical connection between them.
  • Another participant notes that a simple relation between the conserved current and Goldstone boson creation operators typically exists only in the long wavelength limit, referencing a specific chapter in Weinberg's work for further insights.
  • A participant expresses the need to review previous chapters to better understand the discussion.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts discussed, with some areas of contention regarding the implications of symmetry breaking and the relationship between different operators. No consensus is reached on several points, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Some participants highlight the limitations of their understanding, particularly regarding the mathematical formalism and the implications of symmetry breaking in different physical systems.

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I don't understand these sentences from Peskin:

"At long wavelength (*why long wavelength?*), the Goldstone bosons become infinitesimal symmetry rotations of the vacuum, ##Q^a|0 \rangle##, where ##Q^a## is the global charge associated with ##J^{\mu a}##. Thus, the operators ##J^{\mu a}## have the correct quantum numbers to create Goldstone boson state. In general, there will be a current ##J^{\mu a}## that can create or destroy this boson; we can parametrize the corresponding matrix element as $$\langle 0| J^{\mu a} | \pi_k(p) \rangle = -i p^\mu F^a{}_k e^{-ip \cdot x}$$, where ##p^{\mu}## is the on-shell momentum of the boson and ##F^a{}_k## is a matrix of constants. The elements ##F^a{}_k## vanish when ##a## deontes a generator of an unbroken symmetry.""

I don't understand every single sentence here. Can anybody explain. It is from Peskin&Schroeder 20.1 formula 20.46. Thanks.
 
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Take for example a ferromagnet. The broken symmetry is specified by the orientation of the magnetization axis. The Goldstone boson is the magnon, an oscillation of the magnetization axis.
A long wavelength magnon corresponds to an (at least locally) uniform rotation of the magnetization axis. There is some charge (here e.g. the total spin in the z-direction## Q= S_z=\sum_i s_{zi}=\int J^0 dV ##) which induces this rotation.
The treatment is quite sloppy as the operator ##Q^a## can be shown not to exist. However you can work with an operator ##Q^a_V=\int_V J^{0 a} dV## defined for a finite region V.
 
But in ferromagnetic, I so understand, SO(3) is broken into SO(2) so rotation around axis leaves the particles massless and has nothing to do with massless boson emerged because of the symmetry breaking. Am I wrong?

How about the second sentence?
 
The appearance of Goldstone Bosons has nothing to to with whether the symmetry is completely broken or only broken down to a sub-group.
If you want to simplify the model consider a ferromagnet in two dimensions (or an anisotropic three dimensional one).
 
how about the second and most importantly the third sentence?
 
The second sentence is a rather weak statement. For a general operator we expect non-vanishing matrix elements between almost any states, including the vacuum and states with one Goldstone boson. Furthermore we know explicitly that some integral aka Q of J over V generates long wavelength GBs. So J itself certainly also has non-vanishing matrix elements between the vacuum and 1-GB states.
Again, I find analogies with non-relativistic systems helpful: E.g. rotation of all spins in a ferromagnet changes one broken symmetry state into another. Rotation of just one spin corresponds to the excitation of a superposition magnons of all wavelengths. You could also consider a crystal where translation symmetry is broken. A translation of the whole crystal transforms one broken symmetry state into another one. Translation of just one atom yields a superposition of acoustic lattice vibrations (phonons) of all wavelengths.


The third sentence is the most general expression possible with all the indices and being Poincare covariant (or only covariant with respect to the translation group).
I am sorry if this is still a bit hand-waving, but I am not so familiar with relativistic field theory.
 
I understand these: the lagrangian has a symmetry with generators ##\hat{T}^a## and parameters say ##\alpha_a##, this leads to conserved current operators ##\hat{J}^{\mu}_a##; on the other hand we have symmetry breaking, which , according to my understanding, is that you fix the minimum of the potential and make an expansion around it and a massless boson alongside a massive one emerges. Question: how precisely mathematically is ##\hat{J}^{\mu}_a## related to operator of goldstone boson creation ##\hat{a}^\dagger##?
 
In general such a simple relation only exists in the long wavelength limit. E.g. you won't be able to derive a complete phonon spectrum just from the broken translational symmetry.
In chapter 19.2 of "The quantum theory of fields" by Stephen Weinberg, vol. 2 might contain the answer you are looking for.
 
I have to read previous chapters to understand it. :/
 

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