Gravitational lensing of gravitational waves - real?

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The discussion centers around the concept of gravitational lensing of gravitational waves, particularly in the context of supermassive black hole mergers. Participants explore the potential for detection and the effects on matter, as well as the comparison to gravitational lensing of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the power of gravitational waves during a supermassive black hole merger and whether they could be detected or have physical effects on solid matter.
  • Another participant references academic papers suggesting that gravitational lensing of gravitational waves is a real phenomenon.
  • A participant discusses the influence of intermediate mass on geodesic paths and suggests that gravitational lensing would affect all physical entities, emphasizing the need for precise measurements to detect such lensing.
  • There is a concern raised about the limitations of gravitational wave detectors in terms of resolution compared to optical telescopes, noting that the signal-to-noise ratio is low and the resulting resolution is significantly poorer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the detection of gravitational lensing of gravitational waves, with some suggesting it is plausible while others highlight significant challenges. No consensus is reached on the feasibility or implications of this phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of gravitational lensing and gravitational waves, as well as unresolved questions about the detection capabilities of current technology.

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Is gravitational lensing of gravitational waves a real thing? We hear discussion of the lensing of light, but would it also happen for gravitational waves? And how powerful could this be at it's strongest?
How powerful could this be at it's strongest, say, a supermassive black hole merger lensed by another nearby black hole?

Could the waves be powerful enough to be easily detected, or even to be seen directly if a human was there? What would they do to solid matter, bend or crack it?
 
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Since gravitational lensing is a result of the intermediate mass determining what the geodesic paths are (straight lines, shortest distances in spacetime), I would expect it to influence all physical entities.
As far as detection goes, we would need great directional accuracy in measuring gravitational waves to see it. The angles from lensing of light that we have seen are very small.
 
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TL;DR Summary: Is gravitational lensing of gravitational waves a real thing? We hear discussion of the lensing of light, but would it also happen for gravitational waves? And how powerful could this be at it's strongest?

How powerful could this be at it's strongest, say, a supermassive black hole merger lensed by another nearby black hole?
You can't expect the sort of image resolution that you get with optical wavelengths. Optical telescopes can image lensing rings of the angular size of a few square seconds of arc but the wavelengths of gravitational waves are long and the 'aperture' of detectors is small in wavelengths and the signal to noise ratio is low so the resulting resolution is no better than a few degrees and often a lot wider.
 
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