Gravity effects on a solid rigid ring around earth

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical concept of a rigid ring hovering over a flat Earth, with participants debating its stability and weight. It is concluded that the ring is fundamentally unstable, akin to a pencil balanced on its tip, as any slight perturbation would cause it to crash into the Earth. The concept of "zero weight" is challenged, with arguments stating that while the ring's mass is enormous, it cannot be considered weightless in equilibrium due to the lack of a restoring force. The analogy of a tunnel through the Earth is also examined, highlighting that while an object in the tunnel can oscillate, the ring does not possess that property. Ultimately, the consensus is that the ring's configuration leads to instability, and its weight cannot be dismissed even in a theoretical equilibrium state.
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sophiecentaur said:
Re feedback.
Would you also say that a mass hanging on a spring constitutes a negative feedback loop?
That would mean that any simple mechanical system involves 'feedback'. Is that really what feedback is?

Yes. It has a feedforward part (wich integrates i(t) to get v(t) and v(t) to get x(t), which is the output, and it has a feedback part that feeds - k ( x) back into the input.
 
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So is there any bit of kinetics that doesn't constitute feedback? What is feedback and what is an equation of motion? It's just that I have done loads of dynamics problems without needing to talk in terms of feedback and have always used the feedback concept for powered oscillators and phase locked loops. Isn't there a fundamental distinction?
 
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