Gravity equivalent of Ohm's law

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the possibility of drawing analogies between Ohm's law in electricity and gravitational concepts. Participants consider how voltage, current, and resistance might relate to gravitational acceleration, height differences, and mechanical resistance, while expressing varying levels of understanding and acceptance of these analogies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that voltage could be analogous to gravitational acceleration (9.81 m/s²) and resistance to the slope of an incline.
  • Others suggest that a more accurate analogy might involve height differences representing voltage, the slope of the incline as electric field strength, and friction as resistance.
  • A participant introduces the idea of 'gravitational voltage' defined as work per unit mass, suggesting a formulaic approach to relate gravitational concepts to Ohm's law.
  • Some express skepticism about the usefulness of analogies, arguing that they may complicate understanding rather than clarify it.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of Ohm's law, with some participants questioning whether it should be considered a "law" or merely a definition, and highlighting the conditions under which it applies.
  • One participant mentions that the analogy of water pressure and current may be more fitting than gravity and inclines, emphasizing the complexities involved in such comparisons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity or usefulness of the proposed analogies between electrical and gravitational concepts. There are competing views on how to interpret and apply these analogies, with some participants expressing confusion or disagreement with others' interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the analogies may break down in various aspects, and there is acknowledgment of the complexities involved in unifying different physical models. Limitations in understanding Ohm's law and gravitational concepts are also mentioned, suggesting that further study may be necessary.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the relationships between different physical laws, students of physics seeking to understand analogies in concepts, and those curious about the challenges of unifying theories in physics.

  • #31
I still don't understand, where there should be an analogy between Ohm's Law and Newtonian gravitation. Maybe, if you consider the simple Drude model of conductivity, it's the fall of a not too fast body including linear friction, but what does this analogy help in any way. At the end you have to solve the (not too complicated) equation of motion
$$\ddot{x}=g-\gamma \dot{x}.$$
Where ##g=q E/m## for a charge in a homoegeneous electric field within a conductor or ##g=9.81 \, \text{m}/\text{s}^2## and ##\gamma## some friction coefficient.
 
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  • #32
vanhees71 said:
I still don't understand, where there should be an analogy between Ohm's Law and Newtonian gravitation.
Shared maths formulae is not 'analogy'. If that's all that's needed then any straight line would do. We are chasing our tails here. As I commented further up, analogies are best kept as a personal secret or between two people who really are on the same hymn sheet. Trying an analogy with a class of kids can guarantee some of them will get it wrong - if your criterion is other than to make them vaguely familiar with an idea.
Also, this hymn sheet must include shared class, social culture and generations. Try to use the water analogy with someone who uses a pump for their water supply, for instance. They may be far more familiar with the electrical circuit of their solar panels than a non-existent running water supply. Other non-parallels may be much more subtle.

If God had intended us to use analogies, he would never have given us MATHS.
 
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  • #33
sophiecentaur said:
Shared maths formulae is not 'analogy'.
What he said. :thumbup:
 

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