How is Ohm's Law tested and understood?

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The discussion revolves around the testing and understanding of Ohm's Law through experimental setups involving DC circuits, resistors, and measurements of voltage and current. Participants explore different methodologies for testing Ohm's Law, the implications of internal resistance in batteries, and the nature of the relationship between voltage and current in various scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of an experiment that measures multiple resistances in parallel with a voltmeter and series with an ammeter as a test of Ohm's Law, suggesting it does not align with the law's definition involving a single resistor.
  • Another participant agrees that the proposed experiment does not effectively test Ohm's Law, emphasizing the need to vary voltage across a single resistor to observe the expected linear relationship.
  • Some participants argue that measuring different resistances can still provide interesting insights, such as the internal resistance of the battery, which complicates the expected linear relationship.
  • One participant elaborates on how the internal resistance of the battery affects measurements and suggests that this can be a valuable diagnostic tool.
  • There is a discussion about the ideal conditions under which Ohm's Law would yield a straight line on a graph, including the use of an ideal voltage source.
  • Another participant proposes alternative experiments, such as measuring current and voltage across different materials, to explore resistance beyond Ohm's Law.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether Ohm's Law is a definition or a natural law derived from experiments, indicating a lack of consensus on its foundational nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the original experiment does not effectively test Ohm's Law as defined. However, there are competing views on the significance of measuring internal resistance and the implications of different experimental setups. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the foundational nature of Ohm's Law and the best methods for testing it.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the proposed experiments, such as the need for variable voltage sources and the potential for non-ideal behavior in real-world components like batteries. The discussion also touches on the complexity of measuring resistance in non-linear materials.

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I have trouble understanding how the following experiment tests Ohm's Law. Imagine a simple DC circuit with a 6V battery connected to a resistance that is in parallel with a voltmeter and in series with an ammeter.

Switch on the circuit, and measure the resistance, voltage and current. Plot that as a point on a voltage (y axis) vs current (x axis) graph. Now replace that resistance with another resistance. Plot that as a point on the graph. Do this for a few resistances.

You find that these points (each corresponding to a resistance) make a downward sloping line. The line is not horizontal as you might expect, but the voltage seems to change based on the resistance. There is an interesting linear relationship there, sure. But I don't see how Ohm's Law is tested there.

Ohm's Law is a statement about how when temperature and resistance is kept constant, the voltage applied across a resistor is directly proportional to the current passing through that resistor. It seems to be a statement involving a single resistor.

Once you start measuring different resistances, you don't seem to be testing Ohm's Law but some other linear relationship (which to be honest I haven't been able to clarify to myself).

The way I would test Ohm's Law is I would pick a single resistor, and change the voltage across it, and see if that plot of voltage vs current is a line.

I would love some help on figuring out what I'm apparently missing.

Thanks.
 
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Ultimately you are correct, this isn't either a test of, nor demonstration of Ohm's law.
Rather you are checking the resistance values given for the resistors which are calibrated using the same Ohm's law. It is at best, practice using the Ohm's law formula... in short a math exercise (as well as an exercise in using the meters).

You are right, a better test would be to vary the applied voltage, measure the change in current, and graph THAT relationship for a single resistor kept at a constant temperature.

[Edit] To do this would require a variable supply voltage which costs more than a 6V battery and a bag of resistors. That and sloppy thinking on the part of the supplier of lab experiments is probably why such lame experiments get taught in school.
 
I disagree. It's an interesting measurement because you're also measuring the internal resistance of the battery. It's not a strait line because of the equation for two resistors in series. Its quite interesting.
 
Antiphonal, could you explain how Ohm's Law contributes to the interest that you are expressing? Please elaborate on your point about the internal resistance of the battery.
 
Yes and No :)

(A) Yes, it seems that a clearer Ohm's Law experiment would consist of keeping the resistance constant and change the voltage...but even that experiment may fail to provide a straight line.

On the other hand, if you had an ideal variable voltage source (no internal resistance) and capable of supplying as much or little current as demanded by the resistance under the given voltage, experiment (A) above would produce a straight line of points in the V vs I plane that passes through the origin.

And if using the ideal voltage source, once again, but this time keeping the voltage constant and changing the resistor (OP experiment)...THEN, the data points would be in straight horizontal line.
 
DocZaius said:
Antiphonal, could you explain how Ohm's Law contributes to the interest that you are expressing? Please elaborate on your point about the internal resistance of the battery.

The battery can be modeled as a perfect voltage source in series with an internal resistor. This is why you can short the terminals of a (real) battery but get a finite current. The internal resistance of the battery will limit the current.

In your experiment the voltmeter will droop as you decrease the external resistor. This allows you to determine the effective internal resistance in the battery without shorting it and possibly damaging it. Maybe this is boring to some, but I consider it a powerful diagnostic to be able to see inside a battery with a resistor and a voltmeter. It is no less interesting than aiming a radio telescope at a star and listening to the radio emissions or carbon dating a fossil.
 
Extending this a bit further,from Ohm's law the emf (E) of the battery is given by:

V=E-Ir

(r= internal resistance of battery and V=p.d. across load for a current I)

A graph of V against I should be a downward sloping straight line as described by the OP.The intercept on the y-axis gives the value of E and the slope of the graph gives the value of r.
 
I agree it's cool to "look inside" the battery, though it's a more advanced concept. Not super advanced, and I think a good "real world" thing to discuss, since many people DON'T understand that batteries aren't perfect. But teachers may not want to spend time on such an off-standards concept.

Offhand, I'm thinking that a different experiment would be to measure current and voltage of different items/materials in order to determine the resistance. And/or measure some nonlinear materials, like a semiconductor or light bulb.

I think Ohm's law is kinda more a definition? It's not really like a natural law derived by experiment? I put ? because I'm not completely sure. When I researched a little bit that how it seemed to me.
 

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