Greatest scientists who never won a nobel prize

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The discussion revolves around notable scientists and discoveries that have not received a Nobel Prize. Participants explore various figures from history, their contributions, and the reasons behind their exclusion from Nobel recognition. The conversation touches on theoretical, historical, and conceptual aspects of science.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the discussion should include not just scientists but also significant discoveries that did not receive a Nobel Prize.
  • Freeman Dyson is mentioned as a notable physicist who has not won the Nobel Prize for his work in quantum field theory, while contemporaries like Tomonaga, Schwinger, and Feynman did.
  • Lisa Meitner and Henrietta Swan Leavitt are cited as examples of scientists who were overlooked for the Nobel Prize due to various circumstances.
  • Al Gore is humorously mentioned in relation to the internet, with a clarification that he has already won a Nobel Prize.
  • Einstein's contributions to Special and General Relativity are discussed, noting that he received the Nobel Prize for the photoelectric effect instead.
  • David Bohm and Yakir Aharonov are highlighted for their contributions to the Aharonov-Bohm effect, which some participants believe warrant a Nobel Prize.
  • Participants mention other historical figures like Nikola Tesla, Michael Faraday, and Isaac Newton as deserving of recognition, while debating the criteria for Nobel awards.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the Nobel Prize's value and the criteria for awarding it, suggesting that it does not always reflect true scientific merit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on who should be included in the list of greatest scientists who never won a Nobel Prize. Multiple competing views and examples are presented, indicating a lack of agreement on the criteria and significance of the Nobel Prize itself.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that Nobel Prizes are awarded only to living individuals, which excludes many historical figures. There is also discussion about the rules governing Nobel awards, particularly regarding the necessity of experimental verification for theories.

  • #31
Did you know that there weren't any Nobel Prizes EVER awarded for advances in theoretical General Relativity? Even Einstein himself got the prize ostensibly for the discovery of the photoelectric effect. Since then, the field was decidedly starved for prizes. In a related field of cosmology, there was one half the prize awarded for stellar evolution, one half for stellar nucleosynthesis, and a couple for CMB, but that only covers a tiny portion of the field.

I'd expect to have seen prizes awarded to:

- Hawking and Penrose

- Friedmann/Lemaitre/Robertson/Walker/Hubble or some subset thereof

- Gamow, the father of the Big Bang (and, incidentally, a student of Friedmann)

- Arnowitt, Deser & Misner
 
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  • #32
OBAMA!)*@#&$*(@#@$ WORLD PEACE ALREADY! YAH YAH YAH

"Just like Obama, the LHC has gotten the nobel prize in physics for intending to find the higgs-boson"
 
  • #33
hamster143 said:
Did you know that there weren't any Nobel Prizes EVER awarded for advances in theoretical General Relativity? Even Einstein himself got the prize ostensibly for the discovery of the photoelectric effect. Since then, the field was decidedly starved for prizes. In a related field of cosmology, there was one half the prize awarded for stellar evolution, one half for stellar nucleosynthesis, and a couple for CMB, but that only covers a tiny portion of the field.

I'd expect to have seen prizes awarded to:

- Hawking and Penrose

- Friedmann/Lemaitre/Robertson/Walker/Hubble or some subset thereof

- Gamow, the father of the Big Bang (and, incidentally, a student of Friedmann)

- Arnowitt, Deser & Misner


I'm assuming you're stating Hawking do to his contributions in theoretical physics with Hawking radiation? Like many have already stated it has to be experimentally discovered or experimentally verified.

I don't think Penrose directly contributed to the Big Bang. However, after reading very limited books on the subject matter, I believe he put forth the mathematical machinery (differential topology) in defining the big bang.
 
  • #34
czelaya said:
I'm assuming you're stating Hawking do to his contributions in theoretical physics with Hawking radiation? Like many have already stated it has to be experimentally discovered or experimentally verified.

I don't think Penrose directly contributed to the Big Bang. However, after reading very limited books on the subject matter, I believe he put forth the mathematical machinery (differential topology) in defining the big bang.

No, Hawking and Penrose are in the list because of their contributions to understanding of large scale structure of spacetime. For example, because of this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose–Hawking_singularity_theorems

Hawking radiation concept, while neat, is purely conjectural and can't be taken seriously unless you make strong assumptions about quantum gravity. I certainly wouldn't want to give any Nobel prizes for that (not unless it's somehow proven experimentally to exist in just the form Hawking predicted, which I consider unlikely). On the other hand, Hawking-Penrose theorems are rigorous and universally valid.
 
  • #35
I'll go with Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, and Tesla---


I still think Einstein got his for the right thing----I think relativity isn't a sure thing
 
  • #36
The only reason Einstein didn't get a Nobel for relativity is because it was way over the head of the committee and they gave him one for the photoelectric effect because he had a nice experiment to show how it worked and a nice data table . And someone told the committee you better give him a prize for the photoelectric effect or your look like fools .
 
  • #37
jimmysnyder said:
Actually, that was Brown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion"

I'm sorry, I meant describe mathematically, or model mathematically, or made known or w/e he did, not discover. lol
 
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  • #38
Benoît Paul Émile Clapeyron, need I say more?
 
  • #39
Matterwave said:
After Nobel...uh I can only think of the one time Born was snubbed for the 1932 prize. Even though Born had worked jointly with Heisenberg (and Jordan) regarding the matrix formulation of QM, only Heisenberg was given the prize (possibly due to Jordan's connection with the Nazi's). No need to panic, though, since Born got one later for his statistical interpretation of QM.

Wasn't Heisenberg working for the Nazi's too? Wasn't this the reason the relationship between Heisenberg and Bohr broke down?
 

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