Green's function for a critically damped oscillator

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The discussion revolves around finding the Green's function for a critically damped harmonic oscillator driven by a force F(t). The original poster seeks to understand the application of Green's functions in solving the equation of motion, specifically how to derive G(t,t') such that the integral expression for x(t) holds under given boundary conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation and the correct expression for the Green's function. There are attempts to apply Fourier transforms and considerations of the Dirac delta function. Some participants question the steps taken and the methods suggested, including the use of complex analysis and the residue theorem.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using Fourier transforms and complex analysis, while others express uncertainty about these methods. There is recognition of the need to clarify certain mathematical concepts and the implications of boundary conditions in the context of the Green's function.

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Participants note potential typos and misunderstandings in the formulation of the equations. There is also mention of the need to apply boundary conditions correctly and the implications of critically damped systems on the parameters involved.

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Homework Statement


Consider critically damped harmonic oscillator, driven by a force F(t)
Find the green's function G(t,t') such that x(t) = ∫ dt' G(t,t')F(t') from 0 to T solves the equation of motion with x(0) =0 and x(T) =0

Homework Equations


x(t) = ∫ dt' G(t,t')F(t') from 0 to T

The Attempt at a Solution



Hi guys, I am completely new to green's function.. need a lot of help understanding the use, and how to use it >_<

I've been doing some readings and this is what i understand so far

x = [itex]x _{h}[/itex] + ∫G(t,t')f(t') dt'

i.e. G(t,t') will be the particular solution to the ode with F(t) = δ(t-t')

does this mean that I should let [itex]\ddot{x}[/itex] +2γ[itex]\dot{x}[/itex] + [itex]ω _{0}[/itex]² = δ(t-t') and solve this to get the green's function?
 
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shyta said:
does this mean that I should let [itex]\ddot{x}[/itex] +2γ[itex]\dot{x}[/itex] + [itex]ω _{0}[/itex]² = δ(t-t') and solve this to get the green's function?
Yes. Except that there's a small typo in your expression. It should be

[tex]\ddot{x} +2\gamma\dot{x} + \omega_{0}^2 x = \delta(t-t^\prime)[/tex]

A nice way to solve the above equation is to write the RHS as the inverse of a Fourier transform, meaning the RHS becomes a harmonic function of time.
 
Hello! thanks for you reply! :)

yeah you are right, i missed out the x there

not sure if i got it right but on the RHS, i got [itex]\frac{1}{2\pi}[/itex][itex]\frac{1}{i(t-t')}[/itex][itex]e^{i\omega(t-t')}[/itex]+C

is this right?

oh and (d²/dt² + 2γd/dt + ω0²) G(t,t') = δ(t-t')
so i should be solving as usual 2nd order ode to get my answer for homogeneous and inhomo am i doing the steps right?
 
shyta said:
Hello! thanks for you reply! :)

yeah you are right, i missed out the x there

not sure if i got it right but on the RHS, i got [itex]\frac{1}{2\pi}[/itex][itex]\frac{1}{i(t-t')}[/itex][itex]e^{i\omega(t-t')}[/itex]+C

is this right?

oh and (d²/dt² + 2γd/dt + ω0²) G(t,t') = δ(t-t')
so i should be solving as usual 2nd order ode to get my answer for homogeneous and inhomo am i doing the steps right?

Try taking the Fourier transform of both sides. To makes things simpler, recognize that the dependent of t and t' in G has this form: [itex]G(t, t^\prime) = G(t - t^\prime)[/itex]
 
im really bad at Fourier transform, so i didnt follow your advice..

but i did try considering the force being written as a Fourier transform
f(t) = 1/2[itex]\pi[/itex]∫F(w)[itex]e^{iwt}[/itex] dw
and the dirac delta
δ(t-t')= 1/2[itex]\pi[/itex]∫ [itex]e^{iwt}[/itex][itex]e^{-iwt'}[/itex] dw

so i went ahead to solve and i got that

G(t,t') = [itex]x_{h}[/itex] + 1/2[itex]\pi[/itex] ∫ ([itex]e^{iwt}[/itex][itex]e^{-iwt'}[/itex]) / ([itex]-\omega^{2}[/itex] + 2i[itex]\gamma\omega[/itex] + [itex]\omega_{0}^{2}[/itex]) dw



and I am stuck at this integration lol
 
shyta said:
im really bad at Fourier transform, so i didnt follow your advice..

but i did try considering the force being written as a Fourier transform
f(t) = 1/2[itex]\pi[/itex]∫F(w)[itex]e^{iwt}[/itex] dw
and the dirac delta
δ(t-t')= 1/2[itex]\pi[/itex]∫ [itex]e^{iwt}[/itex][itex]e^{-iwt'}[/itex] dw

so i went ahead to solve and i got that

G(t,t') = [itex]x_{h}[/itex] + 1/2[itex]\pi[/itex] ∫ ([itex]e^{iwt}[/itex][itex]e^{-iwt'}[/itex]) / ([itex]-\omega^{2}[/itex] + 2i[itex]\gamma\omega[/itex] + [itex]\omega_{0}^{2}[/itex]) dw
and I am stuck at this integration lol
The integration is a little tricky. You're going to need to use complex analysis, which I'm assuming you've at least met. Since we are dealing with a critically damped oscillator, we can set [itex]\gamma=1[/itex]. What we're going to do now is extend the integral into the complex plane. Let [itex]C\subset\mathbb{C}[/itex] be a semi-circle in the upper half plane, that is, [itex]C=\{\omega:|\omega|< a, \omega\geq0\}[/itex]. So, we have

[tex]I=\int_C \frac{e^{i\omega(t-t^\prime)}}{-\omega^2 + 2i\omega_0\omega + \omega_0^2}\;\text{d}\omega[/tex]

Can you do the next step, maybe using Cauchy's Residue Theorem?
 
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Hmm nope I have never heard of the residue theorem. I tried wiki-ing it to see how it works, but it looks complicated. Is there any other way to do this?
 
shyta said:
Hmm nope I have never heard of the residue theorem. I tried wiki-ing it to see how it works, but it looks complicated. Is there any other way to do this?
I can't immediately see another straightforward method to evaluate the integral. Let me ask a few of the other homework helpers and get back to you.
 
Hootenanny said:
The integration is a little tricky. You're going to need to use complex analysis, which I'm assuming you've at least met. Since we are dealing with a critically damped oscillator, we can set [itex]\gamma=1[/itex].
The differential equation for the damped harmonic oscillator is usually
[tex]\ddot{x} + 2\zeta\omega_0 \dot{x} + \omega_0^2x = 0[/tex]There's a factor of [itex]\omega_0[/itex] in the damping term, and with this convention, a critically damped oscillator would correspond to [itex]\zeta=1[/itex], so I think you actually want [itex]\zeta=\omega_0[/itex] here.
 
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vela said:
The differential equation for the damped harmonic oscillator is usually
[tex]\ddot{x} + 2\zeta\omega_0 \dot{x} + \omega_0^2x = 0[/tex]There's a factor of [itex]\omega_0[/itex] in the damping term, and with this convention, a critically damped oscillator would correspond to [itex]\zeta=1[/itex], so I think you actually want [itex]\zeta=\omega_0[/itex] here.
Good catch! I didn't notice that :redfaced:

I will correct my earlier posts.
 
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Another way to find the Green's function is to solve the differential equation in the two regions 0≤t<t' and t'<t≤T. Apply the boundary conditions, and then match the two solutions at t=t'. The Green's function needs to be continuous at the boundary, but its derivative is not. By integrating the differential equation from t'-ε to t'+ε and letting ε→0, you can find the discontinuity in the derivative.
 

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