Green's theorem for finding area.

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The discussion revolves around applying Green's theorem to find the area of one petal of an 8-leafed rose described by the polar equation r=17sin(θ). The original poster explores the relationship between the parametrization of the curve and the area calculation using the theorem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why they can treat "r" as a constant when calculating dx and dy, despite r being dependent on θ. They also mention a simplification that leads to a different integral form.

Discussion Status

Some participants question the assumption that "r" can be treated as constant during the evaluation of the derivatives. A response suggests that this treatment may lead to cancellation of certain terms, indicating a nuanced understanding of the problem is developing.

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The original poster references a specific integral evaluation from 0 to π/4 and mentions achieving the correct answer, indicating a focus on the correctness of the approach rather than the final outcome.

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Homework Statement



Use GT to find the area of one petal of the 8-leafed rose given by

r=17sin(\theta)

Recall that the area of a region D enclosed by a curve C can be found by
A=1/2\int(xdy - ydx)

I calculated it using the parametrization

x=rcos(\theta), y=rcos(\theta)

And I found a really long integral, evaluated it from 0 to pi/4, and got the correct answer.
Here is my question: apparently, if x is defined as above, and I find

dx = -rsin(\theta), dy = rcos(\theta), then the integral

A=1/2\int(xdy - ydx) simplifies nicely to 1/2\int(r^2)d\theta. Evaluating this integral again from 0 to pi/4 gives the correct answer.

So... why is it that I can pretend "r" is a constant when I'm evalutating dx and dy, when really, r is dependent on theta just as the x and y parametrizations are?
 
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Anyone, please?
 
mathman44 said:
Why is it that I can pretend "r" is a constant when I'm evalutating dx and dy, when really, r is dependent on theta just as the x and y parametrizations are?
Simple answer: You can't really. If you work it out properly, you'll see the terms proportional to dr cancel out. It's just a coincidence.
 
Thanks.
 

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