Using Green's Theorem for line integral

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's Theorem to evaluate line integrals along specified curves. The original poster presents several line integrals and questions their correctness, particularly in relation to area calculations and the nature of the curves involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to solve multiple line integrals using Green's Theorem and seeks validation for their answers. They question whether the first statement relates to finding the area enclosed by the curves.
  • Some participants clarify the conditions under which Green's Theorem applies, particularly regarding the relationship between the line integrals and area calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the curves, with some participants suggesting that one of the curves is misidentified as an ellipse.
  • Participants raise questions about the correctness of the integrals set up by the original poster, particularly in terms of the functions P and Q used in the theorem.

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Participants note that the original poster's questions do not come with answers, which adds to the uncertainty in validating their solutions. Additionally, there are references to specific textbook problems that may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Use Green's Theorem to evaluate the line integral along the given positively oriented curve.

1) Is the statement above the same as finding the area enclosed?
2) ##\int_C \cos ydx + x^2\sin ydy ##, C is the rectangle with vertices (0,0) (5,0) (5,2) and (0,2).
3) ##\int_C y^4 dx + 2xy^3dy ##, C is the ellipse ##x^2 + xy^2 = 2##
4) ## \int_C {(1-y^3)dx + (x^3+e^\psi)dy} ##, where ##\psi = y^2## and C is the boundary of the region between the circles ##x^2 + y^2 =4## and ##x^2 + y^2 =9##

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The Attempt at a Solution


I solved all of these questions, with the exception of the first one. Unfortunately, these do not come with answers, so I would like to check if my answers are correct. For questions 2 to 3, I just wrote out Green's double integral.

1) Yes
2) ##\int_0^2 \int_0^5 (\sin y(2x+1)) dxdy ##
3) ##\int \int -2\sin ^3 \theta d \theta ##
4) ##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_2^3 3r^3 drd \theta ##

I think I got #1 and #3 wrong. If they are wrong, I will put up my original solution attempt. .

Note to self: Stewart, page 1090, 1 refers to question 6, 2 = 8 and 3 = 10.

Thanks everyone!
 
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Calpalned said:

Homework Statement


Use Green's Theorem to evaluate the line integral along the given positively oriented curve.
To evaluate what line integral? Do you mean each of 2, 3, 4, below? (So this does not apply to 1.)

1) Is the statement above the same as finding the area enclosed?
Green's Theorem says that \oint_C P(x,y)dx+ Q(x,y)dy= \int\int_D \left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}\right)dxdy
Since area is given by \int\int_D dxdy that will give the area if and only if \frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}= 1 and that will depend upon what P and Q are.

2) ##\int_C \cos ydx + x^2\sin ydy ##, C is the rectangle with vertices (0,0) (5,0) (5,2) and (0,2).
3) ##\int_C y^4 dx + 2xy^3dy ##, C is the ellipse ##x^2 + xy^2 = 2##
This is not an ellipse. At first I thought you meant just ##x^2+ y^2= 2## but that would be called a circle, not ellipse.

4) ## \int_C {(1-y^3)dx + (x^3+e^\psi)dy} ##, where ##\psi = y^2## and C is the boundary of the region between the circles ##x^2 + y^2 =4## and ##x^2 + y^2 =9##

Homework Equations


n/a
I would have thought Green's Theorem would be a "relevant equation"!

3. The Attempt at a Solution
I solved all of these questions, with the exception of the first one. Unfortunately, these do not come with answers, so I would like to check if my answers are correct. For questions 2 to 3, I just wrote out Green's double integral.

1) Yes
2) ##\int_0^2 \int_0^5 (\sin y(2x+1)) dxdy ##
In (2), P(x,y)= y and Q(x,y)= x^2 sin(y) So Q_x- P_y= 2x sin(y)- 1 NOT sin(y)(2x+ 1)

3) ##\int \int -2\sin ^3 \theta d \theta ##
Assuming the "ellipse" was actually the circle x^2+ y^2= 2 then you are missing a factor of \sqrt{2}

4) ##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_2^3 3r^3 drd \theta ##
This one is set up correctly. What did you get for the actual integrals?
I think I got #1 and #3 wrong. If they are wrong, I will put up my original solution attempt. .

Note to self: Stewart, page 1090, 1 refers to question 6, 2 = 8 and 3 = 10.

Thanks everyone!
 
#1 is correct. Green's theorem allows you to find the area of a region ##D## with a positively oriented, piecewise-smooth, simple closed curve ##C## making up the boundary.

#2 is correct.

#3 needs some work. First of all, the boundary curve ##C## is not ##x^2 + xy^2 = 2##, but is actually ##x^2 + 2y^2 = 2## according to Stewart question #8. Now that we actually have an ellipse of the form ##\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 2##, it can be parametrized by means of the equations:

$$x = a \text{cos}(\theta) = \text{cos}(\theta)$$
$$y = b \text{sin}(\theta) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \text{sin}(\theta)$$

Now, what happens to ##-2y^3##? What will be the limits of integration?

#4 is correct.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
To evaluate what line integral? Do you mean each of 2, 3, 4, below? (So this does not apply to 1.) Green's Theorem says that \oint_C P(x,y)dx+ Q(x,y)dy= \int\int_D \left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}\right)dxdy
Since area is given by \int\int_D dxdy that will give the area if and only if \frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}= 1 and that will depend upon what P and Q are. This is not an ellipse. At first I thought you meant just ##x^2+ y^2= 2## but that would be called a circle, not ellipse. I would have thought Green's Theorem would be a "relevant equation"!


In (2), P(x,y)= y and Q(x,y)= x^2 sin(y) So Q_x- P_y= 2x sin(y)- 1 NOT sin(y)(2x+ 1) Assuming the "ellipse" was actually the circle x^2+ y^2= 2 then you are missing a factor of \sqrt{2} This one is set up correctly. What did you get for the actual integrals?

Oops, number three should have been ##x^2+ 2y^2= 2##
 
HallsofIvy said:
To evaluate what line integral? Do you mean each of 2, 3, 4, below? (So this does not apply to 1.) Green's Theorem says that \oint_C P(x,y)dx+ Q(x,y)dy= \int\int_D \left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}\right)dxdy
Since area is given by \int\int_D dxdy that will give the area if and only if \frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}= 1 and that will depend upon what P and Q are. This is not an ellipse. At first I thought you meant just ##x^2+ y^2= 2## but that would be called a circle, not ellipse. I would have thought Green's Theorem would be a "relevant equation"!


In (2), P(x,y)= y and Q(x,y)= x^2 sin(y) So Q_x- P_y= 2x sin(y)- 1 NOT sin(y)(2x+ 1) Assuming the "ellipse" was actually the circle x^2+ y^2= 2 then you are missing a factor of \sqrt{2}



This one is set up correctly. What did you get for the actual integrals?

I solved number two again and I still got the same integral. Additionally, Zondrina says I'm right
 

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