Group Theory (Abstract algebra manipulations)

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The problem involves elements of a group G and relationships between them, specifically examining the expressions involving the elements a, b, c, and d. The original poster attempts to derive expressions for b, c, and d in terms of powers of a and to demonstrate that a^5 equals the identity element e.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss deriving an expression for b in terms of a, with one participant suggesting b = a^-2. There is confusion regarding the values for c and d, with attempts to relate them back to a. Questions arise about the correctness of the derived expressions and their implications for proving a^5 = e.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, while others express uncertainty about their derived values. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have access to answers but are trying to understand the derivations and relationships between the elements without relying solely on those answers. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Let a,b,c,d be elements of a group G and let ab = c, bc = d, cd = a, da = b. Examine the expression da^2b and first derive an expression for b in powers of a. Then express c and d in powers of a. Show that a^5 = e (identity element)


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The Attempt at a Solution


So I've been banging me head against this one for a while now. I feel like its something simple and obvious but i can't figure it out. I have an expression for b:

da^2b = daab = (da)(ab) = bc = d

d^-1*daab=d^-1*d
eaab = e
b = a^-2

I can't figure out c or d, well i should say I have worked out values for c and d but know them to be wrong because I can't show a^5 = e. (and also I have the answers to this question)

Thanks
 
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Homework Statement


Let a,b,c,d be elements of a group G and let ab = c, bc = d, cd = a, da = b. Examine the expression da^2b and first derive an expression for b in powers of a. Then express c and d in powers of a. Show that a^5 = e (identity element)


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The Attempt at a Solution


So I've been banging me head against this one for a while now. I feel like its something simple and obvious but i can't figure it out. I have an expression for b:

da^2b = daab = (da)(ab) = bc = d

d^-1*daab=d^-1*d
eaab = e
b = a^-2

I can't figure out c or d, well i should say I have worked out values for c and d but know them to be wrong because I can't show a^5 = e. (and also I have the answers to this question)

Thanks

You know c=ab. So what happens if you substitute b=a-2 in that equation?
 
Well c = a*a^-2
c=a^-1 right?

Thats the value I got but when I look at the solution its wrong.

Supposedly c = b^-2 = a^4
 
Indeed, that is what we want to prove. You already know that [itex]c=a^{-1}[/itex]. And what we want to prove is that [itex]a^{-1}=a^{4}[/itex]. But to prove that, you will want to calculate d first...
 
Oh, I just worked it out. God I feel dumb.

Thx for your help micromass :)
 

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