Hamas wins!

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hurkyl and SOS2008, would you please get back on subject?
none of these last posts have anything to do with hamas...
 
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fargoth said:
hurkyl and SOS2008, would you please get back on subject?
none of these last posts have anything to do with hamas...
I agree, and already posted my last reply about Iran in the Iran Occupation thread.

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ruled out contacts with a Hamas-led Palestinian government until the Islamic group renounces violence, and his defense minister threatened to "liquidate" Hamas militants involved in attacks.
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President Bush has said hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. aid will be cut to the cast-strapped Palestinian government unless Hamas abolishes its militant wing and stops calling for Israel's destruction.
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On Saturday, thousands of angry Fatah supporters led by gunmen firing in the air marched in West Bank towns, calling for the resignation of their leaders and threatening to kill Fatah politicians who would join a Hamas government. In recent days, there also have been several gunfights between Hamas members and police, leaving four officers and a Hamas gunman wounded.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS?SITE=NHCON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT [Broken]

I think everyone agrees Hamas will need "to moderate its positions and to reach out to the defeated Fatah." My concern is even if they do become more moderate, is Israel and the U.S. sincere that they will soften their positions too? After all, Hamas came to power as the result of a democratic election.

And I am concerned that even if Hamas reaches out to Fatah to join in the government, will Fatah be cooperative?
 
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Bilal said:
May be in America you can not find anti Zionists, but in Palestine and ME we all are anti Zionists... simply because we are in wars with them since around 90 years.

Sure, but there are plenty of anti-Zionists who don't go as far as to throw their support behind murderous organizations like Hamas.
 
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Hurkyl said:
I'm quite confused; where did I say any of this? :confused: I will admit that in addition to perceiving you as being biased in favor of Muslim nations over Israel, I perceive you as being biased in favor of Iraq (or, to be precise, the Iraqi resistance) over the U.S. (or, to be precise, the current administration), but nowhere did I suggest anything remotely close to you being anti-American. :confused:
Sorry, Hurkyl, you're quite right. You never said that I am anti-American; I'm being defensive because this is something I've been accused of in the past by other members (or perhaps only one other member) in these forums. My apologies :redface:

For the record, though, I'm not in favor of repressive regimes anywhere - I am totally against the way Sadam Hussein's regime targetted opposition groups (including socialists) and ruthlessly jailed/tortured/executed them, for instance. I am also totally against fundamentalist religious governments (of any flavour) because of their backwardness - the general restrictions they place on people as well as because of the way they treat women. On the other hand, I am also against change imposed from without by military might, whereby innocent civilians (invariably women and children) suffer the most. And I get especially indignant when this 'change' is imposed by military might to suit the hidden agendas of the rich and powerful.
 
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Art
Ignoring the usual rhetoric, a first step perhaps??
"Our message to the United States and Europe is the attempts you are exerting to make us abandon our principles and struggle will be wasted and will not achieve any results."

However, Mr Meshaal said Hamas could offer Israel a ceasefire.

"If you are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce then we will be ready to negotiate with you over the conditions of such a truce," he added.
As I said realisation that they will now have to deal directly with the consequences of their actions is pushing them toward a more moderate stance. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4682484.stm
Now if Israel can bring themselves to stop assassinating people we might get somewhere.
Three dead in Gaza missile strike
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4682268.stm
 
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