Harmonic Oscillator and Ladder Operators

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a linear harmonic oscillator and the use of ladder operators to construct a specific quantum state. Participants are tasked with maximizing the expectation value of position and exploring the time evolution of the state.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss constructing a state |ψ⟩ as a linear combination of |0⟩ and |1⟩, questioning how to maximize the expectation value ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩. There are attempts to simplify expressions and explore the implications of complex numbers in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in calculating expectation values and have derived expressions for ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩ and ⟨ψ|X^2|ψ⟩. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the state in terms of its components and how to maximize certain quantities. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the roles of the coefficients A and B.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which require them to construct solutions without providing complete answers. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the quantum states and their corresponding expectation values.

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Homework Statement



Consider a linear harmonic oscillator with the solution defined by the ladder operators a and a. Use the number basis |n⟩ to do the following.

a) Construct a linear combination of |0⟩ and |1⟩ to form a state |ψ⟩ such that ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩ is as large as
possible.

b) Suppose that the oscillator is in the state constructed in a) at time t = 0. Write an expression to describe the time dependence of this state state for t > 0. Evaluate the expectation value ⟨ψ(t)|X|ψ(t)⟩ as a function of time for t > 0.

c) Defining (∆x)2 = ⟨ψ(t)|X2|ψ(t)⟩ − ⟨ψ(t)|X|ψ(t)⟩2. Calculate (∆x)2.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have a hunch that for part a) I need to consider some |ψ⟩ = A|0⟩ + B|1⟩, then differentiate the expression ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩. However I'm not sure how to implement that, any hints?

Many thanks
 
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Why not just go ahead and calculate <X> for arbitrary ##A, B## as your hunch suggests?
 
PeroK said:
Why not just go ahead and calculate <X> for arbitrary ##A, B## as your hunch suggests?

Thanks for the reply.

Ok so I substituted |ψ⟩ = A|0⟩ + B|1⟩ into ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩, and from simple manipulation I have:

<X> = A*A⟨0|X|0⟩ + A*B⟨0|X|1⟩ + B*A ⟨1|X|0⟩ + B*B ⟨1|X|1⟩

Is this correct? I wonder what can be done to simplify it, should I substitute X in terms of a and a†?
 
MFAHH said:
Thanks for the reply.

Ok so I substituted |ψ⟩ = A|0⟩ + B|1⟩ into ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩, and from simple manipulation I have:

<X> = A*A⟨0|X|0⟩ + A*B⟨0|X|1⟩ + B*A ⟨1|X|0⟩ + B*B ⟨1|X|1⟩

Is this correct? I wonder what can be done to simplify it, should I substitute X in terms of a and a†?

Yes, it's correct. You need to know (or calculate) ##<0|X|0>## and ##<1|X|1>##. You have to calculate ##<0|X|1>## as well. The other term is related to this (hint: think about complex numbers).

You can use the ladder operator or just integrate (if you have a list of standard Gaussian type integrals).
 
PeroK said:
Yes, it's correct. You need to know (or calculate) ##<0|X|0>## and ##<1|X|1>##. You have to calculate ##<0|X|1>## as well. The other term is related to this (hint: think about complex numbers).

You can use the ladder operator or just integrate (if you have a list of standard Gaussian type integrals).

I've ended up with:

<X> = (h/2mw)2 [A*B + B*A]

Now to obtain |ψ⟩ which maximizes <X>, we set <X> = 0 and solve for A and B. This gives: A*B = -B*A. How would one solve for the two unknowns then?
 
MFAHH said:
I've ended up with:

<X> = (h/2mw)2 [A*B + B*A]

Now to obtain |ψ⟩ which maximizes <X>, we set <X> = 0 and solve for A and B. This gives: A*B = -B*A. How would one solve for the two unknowns then?

I'd double check that factor you've got.

I'll give you that ##A^*B + B^*A = A^*B + (A^*B)^* = 2Re(A^*B)##. It's useful not to forget that.

To maximise this, you know that ##|A|^2 + |B|^2 = 1##. Try expressing these in polar form with magnitudes ##a, b## and note that:

If ##a, b## are real and ##a^2 + b^2 = 1## then ##a = cos(\alpha)## and ##b = sin(\alpha)## for some ##\alpha##. It's useful to remember that as well.

It's not too hard to maximise ##Re(A^*B)## using this.
 
PeroK said:
I'd double check that factor you've got.

I'll give you that ##A^*B + B^*A = A^*B + (A^*B)^* = 2Re(A^*B)##. It's useful not to forget that.

To maximise this, you know that ##|A|^2 + |B|^2 = 1##. Try expressing these in polar form with magnitudes ##a, b## and note that:

If ##a, b## are real and ##a^2 + b^2 = 1## then ##a = cos(\alpha)## and ##b = sin(\alpha)## for some ##\alpha##. It's useful to remember that as well.

It's not too hard to maximise ##Re(A^*B)## using this.

Ah oops, is it: <X> = (h/2mw)1/2 [A*B + B*A]

I ended up with α = π/4.

And so |ψ⟩ = A|0⟩ + B|1⟩ = cos(π/4) |0⟩ + sin(π/4) |1⟩

Not sure about that part as we've solved for the real parts of A and B, but not A and B themselves.
 
MFAHH said:
Ah oops, is it: <X> = (h/2mw)1/2 [A*B + B*A]

I ended up with α = π/4.

And so |ψ⟩ = A|0⟩ + B|1⟩ = cos(π/4) |0⟩ + sin(π/4) |1⟩

Not sure about that part as we've solved for the real parts of A and B, but not A and B themselves.

I'd move on with with ##A = B = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##

##Re(A^*B) = Re(ae^{-i\theta_A} be^{i \theta_B}) = abcos(\theta_B - \theta_A)## was what you missed out.
 
PeroK said:
I'd move on with with ##A = B = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##

##Re(A^*B) = Re(ae^{-i\theta_A} be^{i \theta_B}) = abcos(\theta_B - \theta_A)## was what you missed out.

Ah I see now, so it's the case that:
##|ψ⟩ = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|0⟩ + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1⟩ ##
 
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MFAHH said:
Ah I see now, so it's the case that:
##|ψ⟩ = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|0⟩ + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1⟩ ##

That's the simplest. I.e. taking ##\theta_A = \theta_B = 0##. Although, any common ##\theta## would have done.
 
  • #11
PeroK said:
That's the simplest. I.e. taking ##\theta_A = \theta_B = 0##. Although, any common ##\theta## would have done.

Is it worth putting ##\theta## in or considering the simplest case for the following parts do you think?
 
  • #12
MFAHH said:
Is it worth putting ##\theta## in or considering the simplest case for the following parts do you think?

Definitely not! It says "construct a state ...". Always take the easiest option.
 
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PeroK said:
Definitely not! It says "construct a state ...". Always take the easiest option.

Good point :).

For the first part of b) I've got the following, just want to check it's right.

##|ψ⟩ = e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{h}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|0⟩ + e^{\frac{-iE_1t}{h}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1⟩ ## where ## E_n ## is the nth energy eigenvalue given by ##E_n = (n+\frac{1}{2})hw##
 
  • #14
MFAHH said:
Good point :).

For the first part of b) I've got the following, just want to check it's right.

##|ψ⟩ = e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{h}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|0⟩ + e^{\frac{-iE_1t}{h}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1⟩ ## where ## E_n ## is the nth energy eigenvalue given by ##E_n = (n+\frac{1}{2})hw##

Yes, that's right.
 
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PeroK said:
Yes, that's right.

Great! So I've calculated ## ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩ ## and obtained:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩= \sqrt{\frac{h}{8mw}} (e^{\frac{it(E_0 - E_1)}{h}} + e^{\frac{it(E_1 - E_0)}{h}}) ##

As for part c, for ## ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2 ## I square the expression above to get:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2 = \frac{h}{8mw} (e^{\frac{2it(E_0 - E_1)}{h}} + e^{\frac{2it(E_1 - E_0)}{h}} + 2) ##

Is that correct so far.
 
  • #16
MFAHH said:
Great! So I've calculated ## ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩ ## and obtained:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩= \sqrt{\frac{h}{8mw}} (e^{\frac{it(E_0 - E_1)}{h}} + e^{\frac{it(E_1 - E_0)}{h}}) ##

As for part c, for ## ⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2 ## I square the expression above to get:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2 = \frac{h}{8mw} (e^{\frac{2it(E_0 - E_1)}{h}} + e^{\frac{2it(E_1 - E_0)}{h}} + 2) ##

Is that correct so far.

You are going to find QM difficult if you keep forgetting about complex conjugates! You need to simplify those expressions.
 
  • #17
PeroK said:
You are going to find QM difficult if you keep forgetting about complex conjugates! You need to simplify those expressions.

Yes, I should've clicked on. It would simplify to:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩= \sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}} cos(\frac{t}{h} (E_0 - E_1)) ##

And so:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2= \frac{h}{2mw} cos^2(\frac{t}{h} (E_0 - E_1)) ##
 
  • #18
MFAHH said:
Yes, I should've clicked on. It would simplify to:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩= \sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}} cos(\frac{t}{h} (E_0 - E_1)) ##

And so:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2= \frac{h}{2mw} cos^2(\frac{t}{h} (E_0 - E_1)) ##

You can do something with ##E_0 - E_1## as well. And, remember that ##cos## is an even function.
 
  • #19
PeroK said:
You can do something with ##E_0 - E_1## as well. And, remember that ##cos## is an even function.

Aha!

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩= \sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}} cos(wt) ##

And so:

##⟨ψ|X|ψ⟩^2= \frac{h}{2mw} cos^2(wt) ##

Now it looks splendid.
 
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Final thing, for ##⟨ψ|X^2|ψ⟩## I got:

##⟨ψ|X^2|ψ⟩= \frac{h}{mw} ##, is that correct?
 
  • #21
MFAHH said:
Final thing, for ##⟨ψ|X^2|ψ⟩## I got:

##⟨ψ|X^2|ψ⟩= \frac{h}{mw} ##, is that correct?

That's what I got.
 
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Perfect! Many thanks for your time and help. I think I've got this down now :)
 

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