Has anything in the universe ever reached 0 Kelvin?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of absolute zero (0 Kelvin) and whether anything in the universe has ever reached this temperature. Participants explore the implications of reaching absolute zero, including the behavior of particles, energy emission, and the nature of light at such temperatures.

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  • Some participants question whether anything in the universe has ever reached 0 Kelvin and discuss the implications of particles and subatomic particles potentially stopping movement.
  • It is suggested that absolute zero does not imply that particles completely stop moving; rather, they reach a minimum energy state.
  • There is a discussion about whether an object at absolute zero would emit any energy, with some arguing it would cease emitting thermal radiation while others suggest it could still be seen if light reflects off it.
  • Concerns are raised about the visibility of an object at absolute zero, with some arguing it would be nearly invisible due to minimal light emission, while others contend it could appear like a perfect mirror.
  • Some participants assert that if an object were at 0 Kelvin, it would not absorb or emit any light, leading to confusion about visibility.
  • There is a debate about superconductivity at absolute zero, with some noting that not all materials become superconductors and discussing the nuances of resistivity in superconductors.
  • Questions are raised about the nature of light at 0 Kelvin, with some asserting that light retains its properties regardless of temperature.
  • One participant argues that temperature is only defined for systems at thermodynamic equilibrium, leading to a discussion about the existence of systems at absolute zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of absolute zero, the behavior of particles, and the implications for visibility and energy emission. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on several key points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in defining temperature and thermodynamic equilibrium, suggesting that absolute zero may not be achievable and that discussions about it may be inherently speculative.

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I was just wondering, has anything in the universe ever reached 0 Kelvin? Is it even possible for particles and sub atomic particles to completely stop moving within an object? If so, what happens then? I heard things start to get "weird"
Also, would reaching the famous "absolute zero" result in the object emitting absolutely no energy at all (so we can't see it, hear it, or even feel it)? therefore resulting in us never even knowing about it and never realizing it actually occurred? I know it's a lot of questions but the simple mind sometimes has to wonder lol
 
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Read abou8t the third law of thermodynamics for an answer.
 
Short answer is no, but a longer answer is that temperature only has meaning at a macroscopic scale, and there is no precise boundary between macroscopic and microscopic. You can have a group of particles in their ground state of energy without violating thermodynamics. But this is not the same as absolute zero. Temperature is defined in terms of a derivative of the density of states, and the derivative only exists in a continuum approximation.
 
Remon said:
I was just wondering, has anything in the universe ever reached 0 Kelvin? Is it even possible for particles and sub atomic particles to completely stop moving within an object? If so, what happens then? I heard things start to get "weird"

First, absolute zero does not mean sub atomic particles stop moving. Absolute zero is a minimum energy state. The particles still have energy, they just can't give it up because there is no lower energy state to fall into. So in a macroscopic object that is hypothetically at absolute zero there is still plenty of internal motion.

Second, as far as I know, nothing has ever reached absolute zero nor will anything.

Also, would reaching the famous "absolute zero" result in the object emitting absolutely no energy at all (so we can't see it, hear it, or even feel it)? therefore resulting in us never even knowing about it and never realizing it actually occurred? I know it's a lot of questions but the simple mind sometimes has to wonder lol

An object at absolute zero would cease emitting thermal radiation, but we could still feel it, touch it, and see it if light were reflecting off of it.
 
Drakkith said:
An object at absolute zero would cease emitting thermal radiation, but we could still feel it, touch it, and see it if light were reflecting off of it.

How could we see it though? I mean if it gave up almost all of its energy and entropy to reach 0 Kelvin, then it still has very small amount of light energy/radiation absorbed which would result in it being almost completely invisible to an eye, infrared camera, and even telescopes that detect different forms of light, since it emits very little light. And it would like an almost perfect mirror because most of the light surrounding it is being reflected off of it
 
Remon said:
How could we see it though? I mean if it gave up almost all of its energy and entropy to reach 0 Kelvin, then it still has very small amount of light energy/radiation absorbed which would result in it being almost completely invisible to an eye, infrared camera, and even telescopes that detect different forms of light, since it emits very little light.

If it was at 0 kelvin it would not be emitting ANY light of ANY wavelength.

And it would like an almost perfect mirror because most of the light surrounding it is being reflected off of it

Which would mean that it would be visible similar to a mirror. Unless you mean "visible" in another context.

Also, we are bordering on breaking forum rules, as an object cannot reach absolute zero anyways, so discussion as to what it would be like it is pretty pointless.
 
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Drakkith said:
If it was at 0 kelvin it would not be absorbing or emitting ANY light of ANY wavelength.
What?
 
DrClaude said:
What?

Because if it absorbed it, then it wouldn't be at zero k anymore.
Hmm... now that I read it again, that's really confusing the way I wrote it.
 
kinda confusing indeed , but we all get that time to time.
Indeed to see something means something needs to reflect atleast a bit of light or em wavelength at any other spectrum depending on what you use for " seeing" like a infrared sensor or whatnot.
But since em waves interact with matter that would mean that if they were to be shined onto the material that would have 0 kelvin after that it wouldn't have 0 kelvin anymore so there you go.
 
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If it was at absolute zero, then would it not be superconducting? That would reflect 100% of any EM radiation, and so prevent it absorbing energy from the EM radiation. Would you have to hit it with a hammer to warm it up?
 
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Baluncore said:
If it was at absolute zero, then would it not be superconducting? That would reflect 100% of any EM radiation, and so prevent it absorbing energy from the EM radiation. Would you have to hit it with a hammer to warm it up?

1. One can have zero resistivity but still not be a superconductor. Not all material, no matter how low of a temperature, can be a superconductor. Superconductivity is a special case, whereby one of its characteristics is having zero resistivity. There are other criteria.

2. Even for a superconductor, there is a penetration depth for EM fields. So you will have finite, non-zero absorption. This is because the field can also interact with the conduction electrons that did not form the superconducting condensate (the supercurrent).

3. Note that for a superconductor, the DC resistivity may be zero, but the AC resistivity may not! Since EM radiation has oscillating E and B fields, there can be energy being observed due to such resistivity.

Zz.
 
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Would light be constrained to wave energy at zero kelvin abandoning its particle nature?
 
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There is no partice-wave duality, so your question does not make sense.
 
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Nothing in the universe has ever exactly even had a temperature at all, because it is defined only for a system that's at thermodynamical equilibrium.
 
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pebbleanrock said:
Would light be constrained to wave energy at zero kelvin abandoning its particle nature?
Light is light, whatever the temperature. Also, what @weirdoguy said.

In any case, if there is light then the temperature cannot be 0K. Look up black body radiation.
 
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hilbert2 said:
Nothing in the universe has ever exactly even had a temperature at all, because it is defined only for a system that's at thermodynamical equilibrium.
That doesn't make sense to me. Any isolated system in internal equilibrium has a defined temperature.
 
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DrClaude said:
That doesn't make sense to me. Any isolated system in internal equilibrium has a defined temperature.

The idea I was after was that if you start asking whether some system has been at exactly 0 K temperature, you can also ask whether things like systems that are absolutely isolated, or are exactly at thermodynamical equilibrium have existed. In the strictest sense, a system has to contain an infinite number of microscopic mechanical degrees of freedom and be at exact equilibrium to have a well defined temperature and pressure, while some other functions of state like volume and internal energy are defined for any system regardless of its size or physical state.
 

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