Have you seen this in-plug fuse arrangement before?

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The discussion revolves around the presence and purpose of fuses in AC mains power plugs, particularly in small appliances like fans. Participants explore the implications of such designs, including safety, cost, and standardization, without reaching a consensus on the motivations behind their use.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise at finding a fuse in the plug of a fan, questioning its necessity and the rationale behind its inclusion.
  • One participant suggests that the fuse might save on copper in the lead wires, but others challenge this idea, arguing that the complexity of the fused plug may negate any cost savings.
  • Another participant mentions that electric fence chargers use multiple fuses for safety against lightning strikes, implying that similar reasoning could apply to other devices.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for increased fire risk due to the additional heating from the fuse connections, with one participant noting the limited heat dissipation in insulated environments.
  • Discussion includes references to standards and regulations that may influence the use of fuses in appliances, with some participants speculating about historical changes in safety standards.
  • Participants discuss the role of fuses in protecting against overloads and short circuits, with varying opinions on their effectiveness in different types of appliances.
  • Some participants highlight the differences between 120V and 240V systems, noting that plug fuses provide necessary protection in lower power applications where upstream fuses may not adequately protect against specific faults.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the use of fuses in plugs. There are multiple competing views regarding their necessity, effectiveness, and the implications for safety and cost.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various standards and historical practices related to electrical safety, indicating that the discussion may be influenced by differing regional practices and regulations. Some assumptions about the effectiveness of fuses and the design of appliances remain unresolved.

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Looks just like home before the two recent moves!:wink:
 
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berkeman said:
LOL, let's hope not! :smile:

I'm guessing it's to protect against fire in the case of a stuck rotor, but who knows. I wonder if my other fans have fuses that are not accessible, and customers complained too much when the fans stopped working and they could not easily replace the fuse.
Yes! You are right. Many fires caused by stuck rotors. Consumer Product Safety Commission published a report in 2003 that stated "There were an estimated 4,500 fires associated with portable electric fans from 1990
through 1998. These fires resulted in more than 20 deaths, 270 injuries, and about $55 million in
property loss." UL 507 was updated to require the fuses in 2004.
 
  • #33
Nidum said:
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This is the inside of the 3 pin plug used on most domestic and office equipment in the UK . Rated at 13 Amp but generally used on devices drawing up to about 10 Amp maximum . Various rated fuses can be fitted . Most common are 3 Amp and 13 Amp .
When used as intended, the internal fuse protects against excessive current through the individual plug, whatever the cause. This current can be well within the capacity of the ring main.

Problems can arise when the fuse is replaced with other objects, such as foil, nails or, in at least one case discovered, a live .22 bullet!
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darth boozer said:
in at least one case discovered, a live .22 bullet!
When you blow that fuse, you really blow that fuse!
 
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darth boozer said:
Problems can arise when the fuse is replaced with other objects, such as foil, nails or, in at least one case discovered, a live .22 bullet!
Woo-wee! That's a new one on me!
 
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darth boozer said:
When used as intended, the internal fuse protects against excessive current through the individual plug, whatever the cause. This current can be well within the capacity of the ring main.
The great shame is that replacement 13A plugs seem to arrive with 13A fuses in them. If they were supplied with 2 or 3A fuses then the majority of equipment would work fine. It would be put to the purchaser to have a supply of higher current fuses for beefier equipment. There are arguments against this, based on convenience but it would have been a good idea to start that way.

But nowadays, most appliances are supplied with moulded plugs on their leads and people mostly don't get involved with wiring plugs at all. The original fuse on a plug that's moulded on an appliance will be the right one. It may not be green practice but a faulty appliance is indication to buy a new one, these days.
 

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