Haven't been taught integration by parts yet

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The discussion revolves around the application of integration techniques, specifically in the context of finding the derivative of a function defined by an integral. The original poster expresses uncertainty about using integration by parts, as they have not yet been taught this method.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of variables in the integral, with the original poster attempting to use \( u = \sqrt{t} \). There are questions about the correctness of this substitution and its implications for the integral. Some participants also explore whether the goal is to find \( g'(x) \) instead of solving the integral directly.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and clarifying the relationship between the integral and the derivative. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, suggesting a different approach to finding \( g'(x) \).

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of familiarity with integration by parts among participants, and some confusion regarding the setup of the integral and the variables involved. The original poster also mentions spending considerable time on the integral without success.

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Attempt to the solution. I took u=[tex]\sqrt{t}[/tex] and from there i went upto :

2[tex]\int[/tex]u[tex]^2[/tex]Sin(u^{2})dx

dunno wat to do next. Havn't been taught integration by parts yet.
 
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kamranonline said:
http://usera.ImageCave.com/kamranonline/369529f005b9d646328ba8de471139.gif

Attempt to the solution. I took u=[tex]\sqrt{t}[/tex] and from there i went upto :

2[tex]\int[/tex]u[tex]^2[/tex]Sin(u^{2})d

dunno wat to do next. Havn't been taught integration by parts yet.
What is the question? Are you sure it isn't to find g'(x)?
 


yes it is.. sorry my bad. :P

then we have to expand the integral and and simply write the inner function by replacing t with x rite?

(i spend much time figuring out the integral, but in vain.. :P)
 


kamranonline said:
http://usera.ImageCave.com/kamranonline/369529f005b9d646328ba8de471139.gif


Attempt to the solution. I took u=[tex]\sqrt{t}[/tex] and from there i went upto :

2[tex]\int[/tex]u[tex]^2[/tex]Sin(u^{2})dx

dunno wat to do next. Havn't been taught integration by parts yet.
Your substitution is not right. If u = [itex]\sqrt{t}[/itex], then du = dt/(2[itex]\sqrt{t}[/itex])
dx shouldn't even be in the integral.
 


kamranonline said:
http://usera.ImageCave.com/kamranonline/369529f005b9d646328ba8de471139.gif


Attempt to the solution. I took u=[tex]\sqrt{t}[/tex] and from there i went upto :

2[tex]\int[/tex]u[tex]^2[/tex]Sin(u^{2})dx

dunno wat to do next. Havn't been taught integration by parts yet.

If you are interested to find g'(x), then you don't even need to do any integration at all. All, you need to do is apply 1st part of the FUndamental THeorem of Calculus. What does it say?

First manipulate your integral a little bit, like:

[tex]g(x)=-\int_{c}^{\sqrt{x}}\sqrt{t}sin(t)dt+\int_{c}^{x^2}\sqrt{t}sin(t)dt[/tex]

where c is some constant.

Now you need to directly apply FTC and the chain rule along with it and you are pretty much done.
 


Mark44 said:
Your substitution is not right. If u = [itex]\sqrt{t}[/itex], then du = dt/(2[itex]\sqrt{t}[/itex])
dx shouldn't even be in the integral.
Apart from the dx (which I corrected in the quotation in my response), the substitution, ignoring the limits, is right. But as Sutupidmath has correctly followed up, this is a futile approach if one wants to find g'(x) anyway!
 


Unco said:
Apart from the dx (which I corrected in the quotation in my response), the substitution, ignoring the limits, is right. But as Sutupidmath has correctly followed up, this is a futile approach if one wants to find g'(x) anyway!

My mistake.
 


If you need to find g'(x) then remember this

[tex]f(x) = \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \zeta(t) dt \Rightarrow f'(x) = \zeta(\beta(x)) \cdot \beta'(x) - \zeta(\alpha(x)) \cdot \alpha'(x)[/tex]

Hope that helps.
 


Thanks a lot. I got it now ! :) A very useful rule!
 

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