Integrating xe[itex]^{x}[/itex] without integration by parts

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation using methods such as separation of variables or integrating factors. The specific equation is y' = x - y + 2 with the initial condition y(0) = 4. Participants are exploring how to integrate the term xe^x without using integration by parts, as it has not been covered in their coursework.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of an integrating factor, e^x, and the resulting equation. There are questions about the correctness of the manipulation and the integration of xe^x. Suggestions include considering alternative methods such as undetermined coefficients or repeated differentiation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and alternative approaches to the integration problem. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple strategies are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that integration by parts has not yet been taught, which influences their approach to solving the problem. There is also a concern about the validity of the steps taken in manipulating the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


Use the method of separation of variables or an integrating factor to find a particular solution of the differential equation that satisfies the given initial condition.

y'=x-y+2 ; y(0)=4


2. The attempt at a solution
I've used an integrating factor of e^{x} to obtain the following from y'=x-y+2:

\frac{d}{dx}e^{x}y=xe^{x}+2e^{x}

I know that I know have to integrate both sides of the equation. However, this is an issue since the equation contains the term xe^{x}. This book hasn't yet taught integration by parts which is commonly used to integrate xe^{x}. I don't think that separation of variables can be used to solve integrate this either.

Therefore, my question is: is there a way to integrate xe^{x} without using integration by parts?
 
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hi cmajor47! :smile:
cmajor47 said:
… is there a way to integrate xe^{x} without using integration by parts?

hint: can you integrate (x + 1)ex without using integration by parts? :wink:
 
cmajor47 said:

Homework Statement


Use the method of separation of variables or an integrating factor to find a particular solution of the differential equation that satisfies the given initial condition.

y'=x-y+2 ; y(0)=4


2. The attempt at a solution
I've used an integrating factor of e^{x} to obtain the following from y'=x-y+2:

\frac{d}{dx}e^{x}y=xe^{x}+2e^{x}
This doesn't look right to me. Can you show what you did to get it?
cmajor47 said:
I know that I know have to integrate both sides of the equation. However, this is an issue since the equation contains the term xe^{x}. This book hasn't yet taught integration by parts which is commonly used to integrate xe^{x}. I don't think that separation of variables can be used to solve integrate this either.

Therefore, my question is: is there a way to integrate xe^{x} without using integration by parts?
 
^There problem is in your look.
we desire
(u y)'=u(y+y')
u' y+u y'=u y + u y'
u=u'
u=e^x
so
(e^x y)'=e^x (x+2)

to solve (e^x y)'=e^x(x+2)
we have a few choices all similar
1)Integration by parts
You want to avoid this one, but it is just a use of the product rule
(u v)'=u' v + u v'
u v'=(u v)'-u' v
suppose u=x+2 v'=e^x
then u'=1 v=e^x
and
u v'=(u v)'-u' v
becomes
(x+2)e^x=((x+2)e^x)'-e^x

2)Undetermined coefficients
assume
((a x+b)e^x)'=(x+2)e^x
determine a,b

3)repeated differentiation
(e^x y)'=e^x (x+2)
(e^-x (e^x y)')''=(x+2)''=0
this just reproduces the undetermined coefficients

4)mixed
As tiny-tim points out we can rewrite the equation in terms of
(x e^x)'
 

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