Having trouble using the ideal gas law for this problem.

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The problem involves calculating the number of gas molecules in a given volume at a very low pressure using the ideal gas law, specifically at a pressure of 1 * 10^-8 torr and a temperature of 371 K.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss unit conversions, specifically between torr, atm, and pascals, and question the appropriateness of using liters versus cubic meters for volume. There are attempts to apply the ideal gas law in different forms, leading to varying results.

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Some participants have provided calculations and alternative approaches, while others express uncertainty about unit conversions and the correctness of their results. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method or outcome, but multiple interpretations and calculations are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of consistent units in calculations and the potential for errors in unit conversions, particularly between different volume and pressure units. There is an emphasis on the need for detailed calculations to identify where mistakes may have occurred.

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Homework Statement



A pressure as low as 1 * 10^-8 torr can be achieved using an oil diffusion pump. How many molecules are there in 1 cm^3 of a gas at this pressure if its temperature is 371 K?

Homework Equations



PV = nRT = NkT

The Attempt at a Solution



I converted 1*10^-8 torr to atm and got 1.31578947 * 10^-11 atm. Then, I converted 1 cm^3 to liters and got .001L. Then, I plugged all known variables into the ideal gas law. When doing PV = nRT, I got n in molecules to be 2568782.388. This was incorrect. I then tried PV = NkT, and N was also incorrect. Where did I go wrong?
 
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lilmul123 said:

Homework Statement



A pressure as low as 1 * 10^-8 torr can be achieved using an oil diffusion pump. How many molecules are there in 1 cm^3 of a gas at this pressure if its temperature is 371 K?


Homework Equations



PV = nRT = NkT


The Attempt at a Solution



I converted 1*10^-8 torr to atm and got 1.31578947 * 10^-11 atm. Then, I converted 1 cm^3 to liters and got .001L. Then, I plugged all known variables into the ideal gas law. When doing PV = nRT, I got n in molecules to be 2568782.388. This was incorrect. I then tried PV = NkT, and N was also incorrect. Where did I go wrong?
Your units are mixed up. Atmospheres are not MKS units. Convert torr to Pascals instead (Newtons/m^2)

AM
 
Are liters correct then? Or should that be in m^3? I converted torr to pascals, and found the molecules to be 2.602914125*10^11, which is still incorrect.
 
lets see what I get using torrs/atm

volume at stp = 1ml(10^-8/760)*273/371=9.78 x 10-12 ml.

Converting to liters and dividing by 22.4 L/mole I get 4.27 x 10^-16 moles. Multiplying by A's number: 262,837,500 which should be rounded to 2.63 x 10^8. Seems like your answer is off by 1000--maybe liter m^3 conversion?
 
lilmul123 said:
Are liters correct then? Or should that be in m^3? I converted torr to pascals, and found the molecules to be 2.602914125*10^11, which is still incorrect.
It is rather difficult to determine where you went wrong if you do not show us your detailed calculations.

n=PV/RT where P = 10^{-8} Torr = 1.33 \times 10^{-6} Pa and V = 10^{-6} m^3

n = \frac{1.33 \times 10^{-6} \times 10^{-6}}{8.3145 \times 371} = \frac{1.33 \times 10^{-12}}{3.085 \times 10^3} = 4.31 \times 10^{-16} moles

Convert the moles to molecules and that is your answer.

AM
 

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