Having trouble with Rocket concepts

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of single-stage rockets, specifically focusing on the implications of fuel consumption at a non-constant rate. Participants explore the equations of motion and the effects of changing mass on rocket performance, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation of motion for a rocket burning fuel at a non-constant rate, questioning how the rate R(˙m) fits into the dynamics.
  • Another participant emphasizes that R(˙m) should be included in the momentum equation, suggesting a modification to the original equation of motion.
  • A later reply challenges the assumption of a non-constant fuel burn rate, proposing that the fuel is actually burned at a constant rate, which affects the rocket's mass and momentum differently.
  • Concerns are raised about the analytical solvability of the modified equations, indicating potential complexities in deriving velocity as a function of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the fuel is burned at a constant or non-constant rate, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about fuel burn rates and the dependence of the equations on these assumptions. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to derive a solution for v(t).

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Hello, I am trying to investigate single-stage rockets and I've come across a particular situation I don't know how to handle. The situation I have is that the rocket in question is burning it's fuel not at a constant rate but at a rate R(\dot{m}). So to find the equations of motion shouldn't be much different than for that of a constant rate. Assuming no external forces I should have:

\frac{dp}{dt}=m_{o}\frac{dv}{dt} + V\frac{dm}{dt} = 0

Here, V is given by V=v-v_{ex}, where v_{ex} is the velocity of the particulates with respect to the motion of the rocket. But where does R(\dot{m}) enter into the picture? Or am I missing something here? Any good references for this type of question? Thanks in advance.
 
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Remember m-dot = dm/dt, so R(m-dot) must be worked into the second term.
 
SteamKing said:
Remember m-dot = dm/dt, so R(m-dot) must be worked into the second term.

It would seem that I have misrepresented the equation of motion in light of that. Modifying it would give me something more like

m_{0}\frac{dv}{dt}+V R(\dot{m})=0
m_{0}\frac{dv}{dt} = -V R(\dot{m})

From here how would you find v(t), this problem doesn't seem solvable analytically.
 
Are you sure you're burning your fuel at a non-constant rate?

I think the true situation is that the mass of your rocket is changing as you burn fuel at a constant rate.

The momentum of the fuel coming out the back is equal to the change in momentum of your rocket. Except, since you're burning fuel, not only is the velocity of the rocket changing; but its mass is changing too. By looking at the energy it took to move from the launch pad to some altitude, you can calculate how much fuel you burned and how that affected the rocket's mass.
 

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