Head First: Falling w/ Initial Zero Angular Momentum

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of falling, specifically why a person's head often reaches the ground before their legs despite an initial angular momentum of zero. Participants explore various factors influencing this phenomenon, including angular momentum, body orientation during falls, and the role of weight distribution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that when falling, the initial angular momentum is zero, questioning how the head can reach the ground first.
  • Others clarify that while the initial torque may be zero, external torque remains constant, suggesting that angular momentum is preserved during the fall.
  • One participant proposes that if a person is pushed off a height, their upper body tends to descend first, which may lead to the head hitting the ground first.
  • There is a suggestion that aerodynamic factors might influence the orientation of the body during a fall, with legs flailing potentially causing a head-first landing.
  • Some participants discuss the weight of the head, speculating that its density might contribute to it being positioned forward during a fall.
  • One participant humorously compares people landing to toast, implying a tendency to land incorrectly.
  • Another participant shares personal experiences of consistently landing on their feet, suggesting that practice might influence landing orientation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of falling and the reasons behind head-first landings. There is no consensus on the primary factors influencing this phenomenon, and multiple competing explanations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about body dynamics and external influences during falls remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of angular momentum and body orientation.

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Initial angular momentum = 0

when we fall from a height, how does our head automatically reach the ground first than our legs though the initial angular momentum is zero?
 
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Bipix said:
when we fall from a height, how does our head automatically reach the ground first than our legs though the initial torque is zero?
Jump with head first? Seriously, what do you mean by "initial torque is zero"? The external torque is always zero during a fall, so the angular momentum is constant (aerodynamics aside). Did you mean: "initial angular momentum is zero"?

See this thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=527460
 
yes i meant initial angular momentum to be zero but not jumping with head at first!
 
Bipix said:
yes i meant initial angular momentum to be zero but not jumping with head at first!
Rotate your arms. See other thread.
 
Bipix said:
yes i meant initial angular momentum to be zero but not jumping with head at first!

Do you mean: 'why do people usually end up hitting the ground head first'?

Given enough time, a person should be able to turn themselves any way they like (as a cat does).
If a person is pushed off a roof (like in films), this means their upper body goes down first, then their legs follow. So this might be why you seem to think the head usually ends up hitting the ground first.
Maybe there is a slight aerodynamic bias to going head first (since the legs flail about).

But I think in general, any part of the body is as likely to hit the ground first. (especially if the person is spinning while they are falling).
 
BruceW said:
If a person is pushed off a roof (like in films), this means their upper body goes down first, then their legs follow.
That's a case of non zero angular momentum.

BruceW said:
But I think in general, any part of the body is as likely to hit the ground first. (especially if the person is spinning while they are falling).
No, people are like toast: They always land wrong way down.


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At least give a reason for why people always land the wrong way down.
 
What about the weight of the head?? Doesn't that support the theory? If an object is thrown (or if it falls) the heaviest side is usually in the front (facing the direction in which it is traveling?)
 
HoBBLeCooKiE said:
What about the weight of the head?? Doesn't that support the theory? If an object is thrown (or if it falls) the heaviest side is usually in the front (facing the direction in which it is traveling?)

You mean the head is denser than the legs? Yeah, that's probably true. Difficult to tell how important that factor is..
 
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BruceW said:
At least give a reason for why people always land the wrong way down.
Murphy's law
 
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I don't think Murphy's law applies in this case.
If you're setting up a tv there are many ways for it to go wrong, but only one way to go right.
But a person landing on his head first would be less probable than him landing on any other body part. (unless there is some other reason like hobblecookie's which explains why he would land head-first).
 
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BruceW said:
At least give a reason for why people always land the wrong way down.

Whenever I fall (off a bridge, off a diving board, off a trampoline, etc.) I always land on my feet. Perhaps the people who land on their head need more practice.
 

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