Hearing Sound: How Does It Travel?

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of sound waves, exploring how sound travels from one person to another, the nature of sound waves, and the principles governing their behavior, including reflections and wavelets. The scope includes theoretical aspects of wave propagation and conceptual clarifications regarding sound behavior in different environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that sound waves propagate around corners, suggesting a fundamental property of wave behavior.
  • There is a discussion on how sound reflects and resonates, with questions about the implications of these phenomena in open spaces.
  • One participant describes speech as a circular wave originating from the mouth, similar to ripples in a pond.
  • Another participant mentions the typical wavelength of sounds in the vocal range and its relationship to obstacles, noting that the wavelength is larger than the size of a person's head, which allows for bending around it.
  • Questions arise about the behavior of sound waves when transmitted through a pipe and whether they can bend significantly after leaving the mouth.
  • Huygens' Principle is introduced, stating that sound propagates from every point on the wave front in all directions, leading to inquiries about secondary wavelets and their existence in different types of waves.
  • A participant explains that secondary wavelets exist in all waves, noting the distinction between one-dimensional strings and other wave types.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of sound wave propagation, with no clear consensus reached on specific aspects such as the behavior of sound in open spaces or the implications of Huygens' Principle. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanics of sound wave bending and reflection.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about wave behavior in different environments, the dependence on definitions of wave properties, and unresolved questions regarding the application of Huygens' Principle to specific scenarios.

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if a person speak something , the person just behind him is able to listen to that sound.

so how does this disturbance traveled to the later persons??
 
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That's the thing about waves. They propagate around corners.
 
Sound reflects and heads resonate?
 
Speech is an over/under pressure in the mouth. It starts as a circular wave in the mouth traveling around objects like the water ripples in a pond do.
 
What all the others have said; plus...
The typical wavelength of sounds, in air, in the vocal range is about 1 metre. This is significantly larger than the size of the obstacle (your head), and results in the waves tending to bend around it.
 
Doug Huffman said:
Sound reflects and heads resonate?


but what if we r in an open ground then from where it would reflect
 
Pythagorean said:
That's the thing about waves. They propagate around corners.


do u mean to say they bends as soon as they leave our mouth
 
champ_9999 said:
do u mean to say they bends as soon as they leave our mouth

what if we r shouting through a 1 merte long pipe in an open ground

so can the wave bend around the other end of the pipe through 180 degrees?

or the wave can travel through our head??
 
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0xDEADBEEF said:
Huygens' Principle states that from every point on the wave front there is sound going in all directions.

http://physics.about.com/od/mathematicsofwaves/a/huygensprincipl.htm


so u mean to say
there exist secondary wavelets in soundwaves..??

so can u just explain me the funda of secondary wavelets ,,, i mean in which types of waves secondary wavelets exists like in sound waves or in string waves or some other kind of waves..??
 
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These "wavelets" exist in all waves. Strings are one dimensional though, so the wave is the same as the wavelet. In a way the primary wave consist of the secondary ones, it is not one starting the other.
But anyways this is just the rough principle to get deeper you have to solve the wave equation or look at experiments.

Here is a link with some pictures of waves hitting an obstacle (number 4):
http://www.dieter-heidorn.de/Physik/LK_AG/SchwingungenWellen/K3_MechanischeWellen/K33_Huygens/K33_Huygens.html
 
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well thanks buddy...!@
 

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