Heat dissipation - nylon vs steel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the heat dissipation properties of nylon compared to steel, particularly in the context of tire construction for heavy loads. Participants explore how these materials behave in terms of heat conduction and dissipation, and the implications for tire longevity and performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks general rules of thumb regarding the heat dissipation properties of nylon and steel, acknowledging the variability in types of each material.
  • Another participant questions whether the focus is on heat dissipation or conduction, and clarifies the context of heat transfer in relation to the materials' interaction with heat sources.
  • A participant asserts that nylon is a poor conductor of heat compared to steel and seeks to understand how quickly nylon loses heat relative to steel when heated.
  • Discussion includes the source of heat in tires, identified as friction with the ground and air pressure, and the destination of heat, which is the outside air.
  • A participant references thermal diffusivity to provide additional context on the topic.
  • One participant argues that in the specific case of tires, the thermal conductivity of the reinforcement fibers (nylon or steel) is less relevant due to the rubber casing, which is a poor conductor of heat and generates most of the heat through flexing.
  • It is noted that manufacturers use harder rubber compounds to create cooler tires, while softer compounds in racing tires generate more heat for better grip but reduce tire lifespan.
  • Another participant acknowledges the helpfulness of the previous contributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of thermal conductivity in the context of tire construction, and there is no consensus on the best approach to understanding heat dissipation in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of heat transfer in tires, including the interplay between material properties and the mechanics of tire operation, which may not be fully resolved.

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I'm trying to get a better understanding of they heat dissipation properties of these two materials. Understanding that there are many different kinds of nylon and steel, what are some general rules of thumb?

Thx.
 
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Do you mean heat dissipation or conduction?
Are you interested in how a hot piece of nylon/steel on it's own cools or do you have a piece of nylon/steel between you and something hot?
 
Dissipation. I realize nylon is a very poor conductor of heat relative to steel. What I'm trying to determine is once hot, how fast does nylon lose heat relative to steel.

For example, if instead of using steel belting in tires, if I used nylon, might that prolong the life of the tire. Forgetting other issues, I'm focusing singularly on the heat properties in tires that carry heavy loads and thus fail more often (trucks, mining equipment, etc).

Am I looking at this correctly?
 
Then it's mostly a heat conduction question.
Where does the heat come from - the air or the rubber
Where does the heat go - presumably the outside of the rubber?
 
Heat comes from both rubber (friction with ground) and air inside the tires (pressure). Heat goes to outside air.
 
RagenStienke said:
For example, if instead of using steel belting in tires, if I used nylon, might that prolong the life of the tire. Forgetting other issues, I'm focusing singularly on the heat properties in tires that carry heavy loads and thus fail more often (trucks, mining equipment, etc).

Am I looking at this correctly?

In this particular example of the tire, it is irrelevant what the thermal conductivity (and thus heat dissipation) is of the reinforcement fibers. This is because the fibers are encased in the rubber carcase, which itself is made of a poor conductor of heat. Further, the heat is not being generated substantially from the fibers. The bulk of the heat is generated from the flexing of the rubber carcase.

When a manufacturer wants a cooler tire, then they use a harder rubber compound. In contrast, racing tires are made of softer compounds to intentionally allow more heat generation - which leads to softening of the tire - which leads to increase road grip; aleit all at the expense of drastically reducing the life of a racing tire.

Note, addition of tread and its depth (which increases folded surface area) will marginally increase the rate of heat dissipation.
 
Skeleton,

That is extremely helpful. Thank you.
 

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