Heat Equation + 2 Robin Boundary Conditions

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the temperature distribution in a long thin bar with specified boundary conditions and an initial temperature profile. The bar has insulated side walls, and heat radiates from the ends into a surrounding medium at zero temperature, governed by Newton's Law of Cooling.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct formulation of boundary conditions, particularly the placement of a negative sign in the equations. There is uncertainty about whether the boundary conditions should reflect an increase or decrease in temperature at the ends of the bar.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the boundary conditions and questioning the assumptions made regarding the direction of temperature change at the ends of the bar. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the signs in the boundary conditions, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The boundary conditions were not explicitly provided in the problem statement, leading to confusion about their correct formulation. Participants are attempting to clarify these conditions based on physical reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Find the temperature distribution in the long thin bar −a ≤ x ≤ a with a
given initial temperature u(x,0) = f(x).
The side walls of the bar are insulated, while heat radiates from the ends into
the surrounding medium whose temperature is u = 0.
The radiation is taken to obey Newton’s Law.



Homework Equations



[tex]u_{t} = \alpha^{2}u_{x}_{x}[/tex]
[tex]u_{x}(-a,t) = (h/k)u(-a,t)[/tex]
[tex]u_{x}(a,t) = -(h/k)u(a,t)[/tex]
[tex]u(x,0) = f(x)[/tex]

h and k are constants.





The Attempt at a Solution



My main concern is: I do not know if according to the problem description, the BCs should be as written above OR
[tex] u_{x}(-a,t) = -(h/k)u(-a,t)[/tex]
[tex]u_{x}(a,t) = (h/k)u(a,t)[/tex]

I had to construct the BCs myself, they were not given explicitly in equation form.

notice that the only difference is that the negative sign has gone from one equation to the other. I would appreciate it if someone could tell me where the negative sign belongs, and perhaps also explain why, I did not fully grasp the explanation I was given in class. Thank You.
 
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Hi PAR! :smile:

(have an alpha: α and try using the X2 and X2 tags just above the Reply box :wink:)
PAR said:
Find the temperature distribution in the long thin bar −a ≤ x ≤ a with a
given initial temperature u(x,0) = f(x).
The side walls of the bar are insulated, while heat radiates from the ends into
the surrounding medium whose temperature is u = 0.
The radiation is taken to obey Newton’s Law.

My main concern is: I do not know if according to the problem description, the BCs should be as written above OR
[tex] u_{x}(-a,t) = -(h/k)u(-a,t)[/tex]
[tex]u_{x}(a,t) = (h/k)u(a,t)[/tex]

Physics tells us that if u > 0, then the bar is hottest at x = 0 …

so at the +a end, the temperature is decreasing in the + direction (and at the -a end, the temperature is increasing in the + direction).

In other words, at the +a end, ux is negative. :wink:

Does that help? :smile:
 
If u[tex]_{x}[/tex] is negative in the +x direction at x=+a that means that there should a negative sign in front of the h/k, otherwise that side of the equation wouldn't be negative, right?
 
(wrong tag! :wink:)
PAR said:
If u[tex]_{x}[/tex] is negative in the +x direction at x=+a that means that there should a negative sign in front of the h/k, otherwise that side of the equation wouldn't be negative, right?

s'right! :biggrin:
 

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