Heat Equation with Periodic Boundary Conditions

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The discussion revolves around solving the heat equation on a ring with periodic boundary conditions. The original poster explores the implications of periodicity on the eigenvalue conditions derived from the separation of variables method.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the periodicity condition with their derived eigenvalue conditions, questioning the validity of certain values of ##\lambda##. Other participants raise points about the nature of periodic functions and their implications on the conditions required for the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing clarifications and challenging assumptions. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in periodicity and its effects on the eigenvalue conditions, with some guidance offered regarding the relationships between different periodicities.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion arising from the use of the same symbol (##k##) for both the diffusion coefficient and an integer, which may affect clarity in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Find General Solution of Heat Equation on a Ring.
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I'm solving the heat equation on a ring of radius ##R##. The ring is parameterised by ##s##, the arc-length from the 3 o'clock position. Using separation of variables I have found the general solution to be:

$$U(s,t) = S(s)T(t) = (A\cos(\lambda s)+B\sin(\lambda s))*\exp(-\lambda^2 kt)$$.

Here is my confusion:
Periodicity demands that ##U(s',t) = U(s' + 2\pi R, t).## This means that
$$\cos(\lambda s') = cos(\lambda s' + \lambda*2\pi R)$.$

This finally gives condition that ##\lambda = k/R%## where ##k## is an integer. This is the correct answer as told by my professor/textbook.

However, periodicity can also demands ##U(s',t) = U(s' + 2\pi nR, t)##, i.e revolving around the ring ##n## complete times. But this leads to the condition ##2\pi \lambda nR = 2 \pi m## where ##m## and ##n## are arbitrary integers. This gives us ##\lambda = m/(nR)##. This doesn't seem to be the correct answer but I don't understand why and rational number divided by ##R## is not an eigenvalue.
 
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Something with a period of ##4\pi## does not necessarily satisfy the condition that ##f(\theta)=f(\theta+2\pi)## !
 
Does that mean the following is untrue: We require ##U(s′,t)=U(s′+4πR,t)##?
 
It is a true statement, but:
It's a necessary but insufficient condition.
 
Okay, so I don't really see the point you're trying to convey and how it relates to my question. Below, I'll write out a set steps in reasoning to see if you can pinpoint the error I'm making.

Let's only consider the case ##n = 2## i.e traveling around the ring twice.
Periodicity demands that ##U(s',t)=U(s'+4πR,t)##.
This means that ##2\lambda R = k##, for any integer ##k##.
Thus ##\lambda_{k} = k/(2R)## which includes some values not mentioned in the notes I'm working from.
 
StretchySurface said:
some values not mentioned
Yes. And those do NOT satisfy the condition ##U(s′,t)=U(s′+2\pi R,t)##. Do you propose to drop that condition ?
 
Put slightly differently, 2pi periodic functions are automatically 4pi periodic but 4pi periodic functions are not necessarily 2pi periodic.
 
Ah okay, now I understand! Thank you very much!
 
Btw if ##\lambda## is the inverse of a length, and ##k## is an integer (I suppose dimensionless), that exponential doesn't look good to me.

Edit: ok the ##k## in the exponential is the diffusion coefficient (I suppose)... my bad
 
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dRic2 said:
Btw if ##\lambda## is the inverse of a length, and ##k## is an integer (I suppose dimensionless), that exponential doesn't look good to me.

Edit: ok the ##k## in the exponential is the diffusion coefficient (I suppose)... my bad
I think you can be excused as the OP used ##k## both for the diffusion coefficient as well as an integer ... :wink:
 

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