How Does Flow Rate Affect Heat Transfer in a Copper Coil?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between flow rate and heat transfer in a copper coil used for a final year college project. The focus is on characterizing the coil's performance in transferring heat when varying flow rates and water temperatures are applied, with the aim of developing a transfer function for a Simulink model.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a copper pipe and the need to understand the power output from the coil at different flow rates and water temperatures.
  • Another participant suggests using the pressure difference at the inlet and outlet to derive a Nusselt number, providing formulas for calculating the friction factor and average velocity based on flow rate.
  • There are recommendations for estimating external convection based on the orientation of the coil, with different correlations for vertical and horizontal orientations provided.
  • A participant emphasizes the complexity of the system and suggests running tests to develop a correction for the heat transfer under specific conditions.
  • One participant expresses the need for a transfer function that relates input water temperature and flow rate to heat transfer per degree difference in temperatures.
  • Another participant notes the difficulty of establishing a transfer function due to variable temperature along the coil's surface and recommends using averaged temperatures for initial estimates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the heat transfer process and the need for empirical testing to develop accurate correlations. However, there is no consensus on a definitive method for establishing the transfer function or the best approach to account for variable temperatures along the coil.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions regarding temperature distribution along the coil and the potential inaccuracies of correlations when applied to the specific geometry of the coil.

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Hi,

I am currently doing my final year project in college. I am using a copper pipe which is 8m long with 8.5mm ID and 10mm OD. The pipe is bent into a coil which will be placed inside a acrylic box. The aim is to pump water through the coil to get the box to a desired temperature. At the moment I am trying to characterise the coil. For testing, the coil is left out of the box and is subject to ambient air temperature of ~20 degrees. I need to know the relationship between temperature transfer from the coil i.e. power output from the coil when different flow rates and water temperatures are applied. Any help would much be appreciated. I need to develop a transfer function that can be implemented into a Simulink model.
 
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Hmmmm, well, as for the internal convection, you can kind of cheat and find the pressure difference at the inlet and outlet of the pipes for a given flow rate. This can be translated into a Nusselt number.

friction factor = (P_inlet-P_outlet)*(D/L)/(0.5*density*V_average^2)

V_average can be calculated if the flow rate is known:

volumetric flow rate = density*cross sectional area of pipe*V_average

Chilton-Colburn analogy then gives us:

friction factor/8 = Nu/( Re*Pr^(1/3) )

As for solving for the external convection while suspended in either the air or a water tank or whatever, it kind of depends on how the coil is oriented. There are some good correlations for cylinders you could probably apply to the shape of the coil without too much error, but they would not accurately describe the flow inside the coil.

If the cylinder is oriented vertically, you can estimate with vertical plate correlations, use:

Nu = 0.59*Ra^(1/4) for 10^4 < Ra < 10^9
Nu = 0.10*Ra^(1/3) for 10^9 < Ra < 10^13

If the axis of the coil is oriented horizontally, use:

Nu = {0.60 + (0.387*Ra^(1/6))/[ {1+[0.559/Pr]^(9/16)}^(8/27) ] }^2 for Ra < 10^12

These are just a starting point. You'll probably want to run some tests and develop a correction for the whole system under a given flow rate and input temperature (or temperature difference between inlet and ambient). It's a complex system, I'd have to think about how to best treat it, but that's a start anyway.
 
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Hi,

Thanks for the reply. What i essentially need for the model is a transfer function that relates input water temperature and flow rate to the coil to heat transfer from the coil per degree difference in input water temperature and surrounding air temperature?

Kind regards
 
With variable temperature along the surface, that becomes quite difficult. That's why my final recommendation was to run some tests and come up with your own correlation. Using averaged temperatures you can at least get an idea of the order of magnitude. Especially in the air, isothermal tubing probably becomes reasonable. Submerged in water, that assumption probably won't hold.

If there are major changes to the average tube temperature along the length of the tube, you can assume a variable average temperature along the axis of the wound cylinder.
 

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