Heisenberg uncertainty derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the mathematical treatment of Hermitian operators and their expectation values. Participants explore the conceptual understanding of operators, expectation values, and their implications in the context of the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of expectation values and their representation as operators, but there is an ongoing exploration of the underlying concepts without a definitive resolution of all questions raised.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of using operators in the context of the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality, and there may be assumptions about the familiarity with linear algebra and quantum mechanics that are not explicitly stated.

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Hi,

I am trying to teach myself some quantum mechanics and here is something I am stuck on. Various derivations of Heisenberg uncertainty start out with two Hermitian operators, usually called A and B to represent position and momentum. Then they define another two operators ∆A and ∆B as:

∆A = A − < A > ∆B = B − < B >

That appears to me to say that ∆A equals operator A minus the expectation value of A. But how can you subtract a number from a matrix? Is an operator like a variable or is it more like a function? If it is like a function, then how can you plug ∆A and ∆B into the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality? This is probably a dumb question, but I don't think I can move on until I sort it out. Example of said derivation at:

"www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~jay/631/uncert1.pdf"[/URL]

Thanks for any help.
 
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<A> is a short way of writing <A>I - which means a diagonal matrix with the number <A> on the diagonal. Matrix I has number 1 at each entry on the diagonal - the identity matrix. That is similar to when you you see A-0. Here 0 stands for the matrix consisting of 0-s, not just one number 0. In such cases the meaning of the symbol must be read from the context.
 
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Think of a numeric constant as the following operator: "multiply [the following state function or matrix] by this number."
 
So it is just <A> multiplied by the identity matrix. Thanks, that makes sense. I am glad I found this forum!
 

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