Help double integral over a region question

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral of the function -3*x*y - 3*y over a specific region defined by the equations x^2 + y^2 = 9, y = 3x, and y = 0. The original poster expresses frustration with consistently receiving an incorrect mark from the autograder despite arriving at a numerical result.

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  • Participants discuss converting the integral to polar coordinates as a potential approach. The original poster shares their transformation of the function and the limits of integration. Others suggest splitting the integral into separate components for further analysis.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem and clarifying the limits of integration. The original poster acknowledges a mistake after receiving feedback, indicating progress in understanding.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct limits of integration in polar coordinates, as well as the need to verify the transformation of the function. The original poster's repeated incorrect results suggest potential misunderstandings in the setup or execution of the integral.

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I've tried this question with many different ways and i always got -11.576, but the autograder always marked it wrong. so hopefully i really did something wrong and you can teach me about it.

find the double integral of -3*x*y - 3*y over the region bounded by x^2 + y^2 = 9, y = 3x, and y = 0.

Thanks very much!
 
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Hi kidzonety! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

The obvious way is to convert to polar coordinates (though of course you could also do it in x and y) …

I expect you've already tried that, but anyway show us how you did it, and then we'll see what went wrong, and we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi kidzonety! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

The obvious way is to convert to polar coordinates (though of course you could also do it in x and y) …

I expect you've already tried that, but anyway show us how you did it, and then we'll see what went wrong, and we'll know how to help! :smile:


Okay.
I just first converted the function to polar one which became -3*r3*cos(o)*sin(o) - 3*r2*sin(o) drdo
and just double integrate this over 0 <= r <= 3, and arctan(3) <= o <= pi/2.
 
Hi kidzonety! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and an integral: ∫ and a ≤ :wink:)
kidzonety said:
Okay.
I just first converted the function to polar one which became -3*r3*cos(o)*sin(o) - 3*r2*sin(o) drdo
and just double integrate this over 0 <= r <= 3, and arctan(3) <= o <= pi/2.

ok (except it's 0 ≤ θ ≤ arctan(3)) … now split that into two integrals, ∫∫-3*r3*cosθ*sinθ drdθ and ∫∫-3*r2*sinθ drdθ,

which are now just ∫-3*r3dr*∫cosθ*sinθdθ and ∫-3*r2dr∫sinθdθ :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi kidzonety! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and an integral: ∫ and a ≤ :wink:)


ok (except it's 0 ≤ θ ≤ arctan(3)) … now split that into two integrals, ∫∫-3*r3*cosθ*sinθ drdθ and ∫∫-3*r2*sinθ drdθ,

which are now just ∫-3*r3dr*∫cosθ*sinθdθ and ∫-3*r2dr∫sinθdθ :smile:



hey tiny-tim,
Ive found my mistake.
Thanks very much for your suggestions and advice!
 

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