Help in Finding the v(t) of the RC circuit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the voltage function v(t) for an RC circuit, specifically using Laplace transforms. Participants are analyzing a homework problem that involves circuit analysis and the application of exponential decay in the context of an RC circuit.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to solve the problem using the formula V_{c}(t)=V_{0}e^{-t/(RC)} and provides an initial current calculation.
  • Another participant points out that the solution contains a dimensionful quantity in the argument of the exponential function, suggesting an error.
  • A different participant agrees that the initial voltage and time constant in the provided solution are incorrect.
  • Concerns are raised about the mismatch between the given solution and the circuit diagram, indicating potential alterations to the problem that were not reflected in the solution.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of clarity in the problem statement regarding what V(t) represents, with suggestions that it should specify the points in the circuit for voltage measurement.
  • One participant critiques the quality of the problem statement, expressing frustration over its presentation and the implications for students.
  • Another participant suggests that the solution should involve the Laplace Domain version of a circuit equation or a differential equation approach, rather than the current method used.
  • A participant notes that the problem may not belong in the Advanced Physics forum, proposing a move to a more appropriate category.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial solution, with multiple competing views on the proper approach to solving the problem and the interpretation of the voltage function V(t). The discussion remains unresolved as participants have not reached a consensus on the correct solution or methodology.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the clarity of the problem statement, particularly in defining V(t) and the assumptions made about the circuit configuration. The discussion highlights the potential for misinterpretation due to these ambiguities.

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Homework Statement


This is the Problem with the answer:
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Homework Equations


V=RI
V_{c}(t)=V_{0}e^{-t/(RC)}


The Attempt at a Solution


Actually, this is a topic about laplace transform.
I tried to solve the problem using the formula.

@t<0
I=40/(3+8) = 40/11 A
V @ 3 ohms = 40/11 * 3 = 120/11 V

@t=0 <switch is opened>
hence: v(t) = (120/11) e^{-t/(8*(1/10))}

v(t) = (120/11) e^{(-5t/4)}
 
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The answer is evidently not entirely correct, because there appears a dimensionful quantity in the argument of the exponential function!
 
vanhees71 said:
The answer is evidently not entirely correct, because there appears a dimensionful quantity in the argument of the exponential function!

How do you solve this?
 
The given answer is wrong, both in initial voltage and in the time constant.

At least in your answer the time constant is correct.
 
1. The given solution does not match the given circuit. Perhaps the circuit diagram was altered at some point to make it a "new problem" but the solution was not changed accordingly (the general form of the solution might be correct but the constants don't match the circuit diagram as given).

2. Regarding Vahees71's observation about the units in the exponential function, this is another indication of a lack of care by the publisher of the problem. Although occasionally one may come across examples of formulae that are presented with numerical constants where units are to be assumed but are not shown for esthetic or pedagogical reasons for a well informed audience, it is really not appropriate for introductory course material such as this.

Note also that the problem statement does not define what V(t) is. Between what points in the circuit is it defined? It should be clearly specified on the circuit diagram or in the problem text!

I'd be curious to know the source of the problem statement. It is disturbing to see learning material that is this shoddy being given to students.

@ichilouch: you seem to have assumed in your solution attempt that V(t) is the voltage across the 3 Ohm resistor, but that doesn't seem right given the the proposed form of the solution. Once the switch opens the potential across the 3 Ohm resistor would be zero since no current can flow through an open circuit.

You should determine what the definition of V(t) is and determine its initial value prior to the switch commutation. (Presumably they are really looking for the potential across the 8 Ohm resistor and its parallel capacitor, but without it actually being specified in the problem statement it's just an assumption open to interpretation. Not a good thing for assigned material to be marked!)

If this problem is to be solved via Laplace transforms as you state in your first post then I would expect your solution to involve the Laplace Domain version of a circuit equation with the time domain solution emerging from the inverse transform. Alternatively you would have to first write the differential equation for the desired voltage and then use Laplace transform methods on that.

3. This problem belongs in either Introductory Physics or Engineering, Comp Sci & Technology forums, not Advanced Physics. I will move the thread to CS&T.
 

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