Help me out please - Car accident analysis

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a car accident involving two vehicles, focusing on the calculation of the force of impact based on the weights, speeds, and angles of the cars involved. The inquiry is not a homework question but rather a personal concern related to a real accident.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the "force of the impact" is not knowable and suggests that legal expertise is necessary for a proper analysis.
  • Another participant questions the stated speed of car 2, suggesting that the damage observed indicates a higher speed than 5 mph, but acknowledges that any conclusions drawn may not be legally useful.
  • A different participant notes that forces in collisions vary significantly during the event, indicating that momentum conservation is a more relevant approach than applying Newton's 2nd Law directly.
  • One participant suggests that photographic evidence of the damage could influence a legal case, questioning whether the car insurance covers legal representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability to determine the force of impact and the relevance of the information provided. There is no consensus on how to approach the analysis, with some emphasizing legal considerations and others focusing on the physics of the collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the available information, including the variability of forces during a collision and the potential legal implications of any conclusions drawn from the analysis.

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Help me out please -- Car accident analysis

hey guys, I have a question... If car 1 weighing in at 4400lbs is traveling at 0 degree heading at 55 MPH and is impacted on the right side by car 2 weighing in at 2700 lbs from a 90 degree heading traveling at 5 mph and the departure angle of car 1 is 45 degrees, and the time variable is 1 second. what was the force of the impact?

This is not a homework question, this is my car and I would like to know the force from the impact.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151820048022474&l=3048728d64
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151820047657474&l=952d90083f

let me know if you need any more data. Thanks
 
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Questions of this sort.are very common on PF. But the "force of the impact" is not knowable. Force is not a consideration in such matters. To put a good legal case, you need the authority of an accepted legal expert, I'm afraid, using the appropriate terminology and academic qualifications. Any Physics you may read here can be as accurate as you like but it will cut no ice in court.
 
5mph? Given the severity of the damage to the door of the Z (which I'm assuming is car 1 in this question), it looks like the second car was going a lot more than 5mph. As sophiecentaur said though, we can't say anything conclusive or legally useful here - we can speculate, but there's not enough information to say much, and anything we can say would almost definitely not be admissible in court.
 
I'm not sure there's a meaningful answer to the question. As far as I know, forces involved in collisions tend to vary quite wildly during the collision process. The force starts off very small then grows to be huge as compression of the material happens and then drops off to zero, all in the span of a few ms. This is one of the reasons that collisions are often analyzed in terms of momentum conservation rather than a direct application of Newton's 2nd Law.

Chris.
 
I guess a good photograph of the damage could appeal to a judge's common sense if you are trying to discredit your opponent's estimation of speed. Does your car insurance cover legal representation?
 

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