Help w/ Tensor Calc Homework: Bijk Properties Under Rotations

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the tensor Bijk under rotations of the basis or coordinate axes, particularly in relation to its interaction with symmetric tensors Ajk. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the question's intent while attempting to analyze the symmetry of Bijk.

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  • Participants explore the symmetry properties of Bijk, particularly its behavior when contracted with symmetric tensors. There is a discussion about separating Bijk into symmetric and antisymmetric components and how these components transform under coordinate transformations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the transformation properties of the symmetric part of Bijk and referencing the reduction theorem. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the antisymmetric component, indicating that further exploration may be needed.

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Participants are navigating the implications of tensor properties under coordinate transformations, with specific focus on the definitions and behaviors of symmetric and antisymmetric components. The original poster's uncertainty about the question's requirements suggests a need for clarification on the topic.

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Homework Statement


if BijkAjk is a vector for all symmetric tensors Ajk, (but Bijk is not necessarily a tensor),
what are the properties of Bijk under rotations of the basis/coordinate axes?

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I am not sure what the question is looking for... though I can say that
BijkAjk=BijkAkj(by symmetry of Ajk)=BikjAjk(by relabeling dummy suffices)
Since Ajk is an arbitrary symmetric matrix, they cancel, giving Bijk=Bikj
So Bijk is symmetric wrt the last 2 suffices...

Thanks in advance!
 
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No, B_{ijk} is not symmetric on the last 2 indices, but only the symmetric part survives. That you have showed right.
Now, we can write B_{ijk} = B1_{ijk} + B2_{ijk} where B1 is symmetric on the last 2 indices and B2 is antisymmetric on the last 2 indices. Then,
B_{ijk} A^{jk} = B1_{ijk} A^{jk} (because the antisymmetric part doesn't survive), and your problem said that this product transforms as a vector, so B1_{ijk} transforms on its first index as a vector. Now you can apply the reduction theorem (don't know if it's called this way) to conclude that B1_{ijk} transforms as a tensor under coordinate transformations, since its contraction with any tensor transforms as a vector. About the transformation properties of B2 you can not say anything.
 
Thanks, grey_earl.
 
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The reduction theorem basically says that if you contract an object with unknown transformation properties with an arbitrary tensor (which means multiplying and summing over equal indices, as you did), and this transforms as a scalar (or if you have one index free, as a vector, etc.), then your original object also transforms as a tensor. I think Schouten's tensor calculus has a proof of this.
 

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