Help with Calculus II Trig Sub Integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of \( x^3 \sqrt{x^2 + 9} \) using trigonometric substitution, specifically focusing on the substitution \( x = 3 \tan(\theta) \). Participants are exploring the implications of this substitution and its effect on the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the choice of substitution, with some suggesting \( x = 3 \sec(\theta) \) while others argue for \( x = 3 \tan(\theta) \). There are questions about the correct expression for \( dx \) and how to handle the integral after substitution. The need to simplify the integral using trigonometric identities is also raised.

Discussion Status

There is active engagement with multiple approaches being considered. Participants are questioning the correctness of their substitutions and derivatives, and some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of terms and the inclusion of \( d\theta \) in the integral. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the complexities of trigonometric substitution and are mindful of the need to derive expressions correctly in terms of \( d\theta \). There is an emphasis on ensuring all terms are accounted for in the integral setup.

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I'm very unsure on how to do this equation...
Someone PLEASE HELP!

[tex]\int[/tex]x[tex]^{3}[/tex][tex]\sqrt{}x^{2}+9[/tex]



i do know that
if you...
let x = 3sec [tex]\vartheta[/tex]
dx = 3 sec [tex]\vartheta[/tex] tan [tex]\vartheta[/tex] du
 
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sqrt of x^2? you sure you wrote that right?
 
you wouldn't substitute in a secant, a tangent would do much better, when you sub in you have to figure out what you should put in the place of that x^3 too!
 
yeah. its the integral of x^3 times the sqrt of x^2 + 9
 
so would it be 3tan^3 theta times the sq rt of 3tan^2theta +9?
 
and you need d(theta) in there too, plus remember you have to raise the entire term to the power
 
would d(theta) be 3sec(theta)tan(theta) ?
 
pumpkin88 said:
so would it be 3tan^3 theta times the sq rt of 3tan^2theta +9?

Remember your letting x = 3tan (theta).

x^3 means 9tan^3 (theta) and the other term becomes sqrt [ 9tan^2 (theta) + 9 ]

Factor out a square root of 9 out of the square root and use the identity: 1 + tan^2 x = sec^2 x to "simplify" your problem.

You should be left with an integration of a sec to the third and a tangent to the third.
 
pumpkin88 said:
would d(theta) be 3sec(theta)tan(theta) ?

if you let x = 3tan (theta)

what is the derivative in terms of d (theta) ?
 
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is this correct so far?

9 [tex]\int[/tex] tan[tex]^{3}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] [tex]\sqrt{[/tex] sec [tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex]
 
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pumpkin88 said:
is this correct so far?

9 [tex]\int[/tex] tan[tex]^{3}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] [tex]\sqrt{[/tex] sec [tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex]

Close.

Like lumbar said, you forgot the d(Theta).

if you let x = 3tan(Theta)

derive the above equation in terms of d(Theta)

you should get:

dx = <derivative of right hand equation>
 

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