Help with Cylinder Volume Calculation: Part C

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume and mass of a cylinder with a variable density defined by the equation ρ = ρ₀(1 - r/R), where ρ₀ is a constant. The problem is broken down into parts involving the shell method for volume calculation and the implications of the varying density on mass determination.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the shell method to derive the infinitesimal volume of the cylinder and the subsequent integration to find the total volume. There is confusion regarding the correct representation of the radius in the volume formula. Additionally, questions arise about how to approach the mass calculation given the variable density.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided corrections to the original poster's approach, particularly regarding the radius used in the volume calculation. There is acknowledgment that the problem likely requires finding the mass of the cylinder based on the given density function. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and clarifications being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the density varies with the distance from the axis, which complicates the mass calculation for the entire cylinder. There is also mention of the original poster's uncertainty about the implications of this variable density on their calculations.

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This is from a physics course, but felt more appropriate to post here.

I just want some sanity checking on my procedure, since I'm not this far in my calculus course yet but am having to work through it anyway for physics.

I have no idea how to approach part c, not even an inkling of where to begin. If all you give me are Google search terms, then I'll be happy.


Homework Statement



A cylinder of radius R and length L is given.

a) Use the shell method to write the infinitesimal volume DV
b) Integrate dv to obtain the volume of the cylinder.
c) The density of the cylinder is given by \rho = {\rho _0}(1 - \frac{r}{R}) where {\rho _0} is constant.

Homework Equations



NA.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) A cylinder can be divided into infinitesimal shells of height L and width dr. Therefore, the infinitesimal volume is given by:
dv = 2\pi LRdr

b) This infinitesimal volume can then be integrated as:
V = \int_0^R {2\pi LRdr = 2\pi LR\int_0^R {dr = 2\pi LR(\left. r \right|_0^R) = 2\pi L{R^2}} }

c) No idea.
 
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squelch said:
This is from a physics course, but felt more appropriate to post here.

I just want some sanity checking on my procedure, since I'm not this far in my calculus course yet but am having to work through it anyway for physics.

I have no idea how to approach part c, not even an inkling of where to begin. If all you give me are Google search terms, then I'll be happy.


Homework Statement



A cylinder of radius R and length L is given.

a) Use the shell method to write the infinitesimal volume DV
b) Integrate dv to obtain the volume of the cylinder.
c) The density of the cylinder is given by \rho = {\rho _0}(1 - \frac{r}{R}) where {\rho _0} is constant.

Homework Equations



NA.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) A cylinder can be divided into infinitesimal shells of height L and width dr. Therefore, the infinitesimal volume is given by:
dv = 2\pi LRdr
Not quite. The radius of the shell is ##r##, not ##R##, so ##dv = 2 \pi r L\,dr##.

b) This infinitesimal volume can then be integrated as:
V = \int_0^R {2\pi LRdr = 2\pi LR\int_0^R {dr = 2\pi LR(\left. r \right|_0^R) = 2\pi L{R^2}} }

c) No idea.
Recall that density is mass per unit volume.
 
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The idea is to add the infinitesimal volumes of all the shells, right? But doesn't every shell have a different radius? In the equation you wrote in a) you used capital R indicating that all shells have equal radius. If you correct this, you will easily get the correct answer in b). Additionally, by giving you the density it probably wants you to find the mass of the cylinder. Doesn't the problem statement ask for this explicitly?
 
So, by way of correction,

a) A cylinder can be divided into infinitesimal shells of height L and width dr a distance r from the center axis. Therefore, the infinitesimal volume is given by:
dv = 2\pi Lrdr

b) This infinitesimal volume can then be integrated as:
V = \int_0^R {2\pi Lrdr = 2\pi L\int_0^R {rdr = 2\pi L(\frac{1}{2}\left. {{r^2}} \right|_0^R) = \pi L{R^2}} }

Might have caught that if I looked at the given formula for the volume of a cylinder a bit more carefully, but what can you do.
 
I just noticed that I didn't include that c) was asking for the mass of the cylinder. My mistake.

Attempting to solve for the mass of the cylinder:

\begin{array}{l}<br /> \rho = \frac{{{m_c}}}{{\pi L{R^2}}} = {\rho _0}\left( {1 - \frac{r}{R}} \right)\\<br /> {m_c} = {\rho _0} \cdot (\pi L{R^2}) \cdot \left( {1 - \frac{r}{R}} \right)\\<br /> {m_c} = {\rho _0} \cdot (\pi LR) \cdot \left( {R - r} \right)<br /> \end{array}
 
What is ##r## supposed to represent in your calculation of the mass?
 
vela said:
What is ##r## supposed to represent in your calculation of the mass?

It was given as part of the density equation in the problem, so I wasn't sure how to work it away.
 
You're being told that the density varies with the distance from the axis. You can't use ##\rho = m/V## for the cylinder taken as a whole because that only holds for constant density. For an infinitesimal shell, however…
 

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