Volume of an oblique circular cone

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of an oblique circular cone using calculus. The original poster introduces parameters related to the geometry of the cone and attempts to derive an expression for the radius as a function of position along the cone's height.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the method of summing infinitesimal cylinders to calculate volume and question the definition of the parameter "a." There are discussions about the implications of the cone's slant and the need to consider the geometry accurately.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the definitions and assumptions made by the original poster. Some suggest splitting the integral due to the cone's geometry, while others express uncertainty about the accuracy of the drawing and the nature of the cone.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the definition of "a" and whether the problem explicitly specifies an oblique cone. Participants also note the potential need for a three-dimensional integral approach versus a solid geometry perspective.

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Homework Statement
Find the volume of a circular cone.
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This is not homework. I have given myself two parameters; ##\theta##, and ##\alpha##. (see figure, it is a side view):
The idea is to find an expression for the radius of the circles as ##x## varies on that line (figure), then sum up infinitely many cylinders of infinitesimal thickness.
The radii all have an angle ##\theta## with the ##x##-axis, and meet with the line making an angle ##\alpha## with the same axis at ##x=b##, thus:
$$r(x)=\sqrt{(b-x)^2+(b\tan\alpha)^2}$$
To find ##b##, I need to solve ##(\tan\alpha)x-\tan\theta(x-b)=0##, which gives me:
$$b=\frac{\tan\theta-\tan\alpha}{\tan\theta}x$$
If the line upon which I put my ##x##-axis has a length ##a##, then the volume of the cone is:
$$\pi\int_0^ar^2(x)dx$$
Is the reasoning correct?
EDIT:
I could've also remembered triangles' similarities and notice that ##\frac{R}{a}=\frac{r(x)}{x}##.
 

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What is "a"? (I mean how do you define it.) The technique is correct until you encounter the "slanty" bottom of the cone. But notice you can cut the cone into a right angle cone and a slanty bottom piece. The slanty bottom part will have half the volume of a full cone bottom segment. So split the integral up.
 
hutchphd said:
What is "a"? (I mean how do you define it.) The technique is correct until you encounter the "slanty" bottom of the cone. But notice you can cut the cone into a right angle cone and a slanty bottom piece. The slanty bottom part will have half the volume of a full cone bottom segment. So split the integral up.
##a## is the length which coincides with the ##x##-axis.
 
You need a mathematical definition a=?
Also does the statement of the problem specify an oblique cone?
 
hutchphd said:
You need a mathematical definition a=?
Also does the statement of the problem specify an oblique cone?
##a## is a constant. It is an exercise for myself, no statement, but no, general case.
 
Is ("a") shown on your picture...I don't know what it has to do with your question.
 
hutchphd said:
Is ("a") shown on your picture...I don't know what it has to do with your question.
20200214_144108.jpg
 
Do you wish this to be an exercise in solid geometry or calculus? If calculus then you need to do the integral in 3 dimensions. If solid geometry you just need the solution regular cone and some intuition.
The drawing is not quite accurate if x is supposed to be the rotational axis of the cone...it will be lower at the left. And the simple interal you show will not be quite correct.
 
hutchphd said:
Do you wish this to be an exercise in solid geometry or calculus? If calculus then you need to do the integral in 3 dimensions. If solid geometry you just need the solution regular cone and some intuition.
The drawing is not quite accurate if x is supposed to be the rotational axis of the cone...it will be lower at the left. And the simple interal you show will not be quite correct.
Hello, I want to use calculus. I have had an answer from another person and, from how he tackled this problem, I see that the problem in my integral is that I considered the thickness to ne ##dx##, but it should ##dz=dx\sin\theta##.
 
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It's hard to tell from your graphic, but I'm not sure what you are describing is even a cone, slanted or not. Is the base curve a circle? Ellipse? Look at the following figure:
slantedcone.jpg

You should have a base and the cross sections should be similar as in the figure. The volume of any such solid is the one third the area of the base times the vertical height. I don't think the angle between a slant height and the center of the base to the vertex is constant. That's what I think you are calling ##\alpha##.
 
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