Help with finding particular solution of a 2nd order linear ode

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The discussion revolves around finding a particular solution to a second-order linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form y'' - 2y' + y = e^(2x)/(e^x + 1)^2, with a focus on methods such as variation of parameters and Green's functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss attempts using variation of parameters, noting difficulties with the Wronskian method and specific cases involving the complementary solution. There is also mention of exploring Green's functions as an alternative approach, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their familiarity with this method.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various attempts to solve the ODE, with some participants offering different methods and insights. There is an acknowledgment of challenges faced with the Wronskian method, and a suggestion to consider Green's functions, although not all participants are comfortable with this approach. No explicit consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem appears more complex than typical constant coefficient equations, and there is a reference to external resources for further exploration of Green's functions. Some constraints regarding familiarity with certain methods are also highlighted.

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Homework Statement


obtain the general solution y(x) of
y''-2y'+y=e^(2x)/(e^x+1)^2


Homework Equations


variation of parameters


The Attempt at a Solution


I have obtained the continuous equation.
I tried two methods of variation of parameters, but both of them got me stuck.

1. using the wronskian method. However, this method gave me an answer of 0.
2. Using the method involving setting a'(x) and b'(x) to 0- however, this method doesn't work if the complimentary solution involves a multiple of x (b'(x)xe^x).

This one seems to be more complicated than a simple constant of coefficients- wolfram got me a straightforward answer, however. Any help will be appreciated. TIA!
 
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iqjump123 said:

Homework Statement


obtain the general solution y(x) of
y''-2y'+y=e^(2x)/(e^x+1)^2


Homework Equations


variation of parameters


The Attempt at a Solution


I have obtained the continuous equation.
I tried two methods of variation of parameters, but both of them got me stuck.

1. using the wronskian method. However, this method gave me an answer of 0.
2. Using the method involving setting a'(x) and b'(x) to 0- however, this method doesn't work if the complimentary solution involves a multiple of x (b'(x)xe^x).

This one seems to be more complicated than a simple constant of coefficients- wolfram got me a straightforward answer, however. Any help will be appreciated. TIA!

My personal preference in such cases is to always use the Green's Function method. In your case, let Ly(x) be the operator on the left of your DE. To solve Ly(x) = f(x), try solving LG(x) = delta(x-t) for G = G(x;t), where delta(x-t) = Dirac delta and t is just a parameter. Then Y(x) = integral_{t=-infinity..infinity} G(x;t) f(t) dt is a particular solution of LY(x) = f(x).

For more on Green's functions and the step-by-step solution of a problem almost like yours, see the pedagogical article http://www.mathphysics.com/pde/green/g15.html . This article also relates the Green's function to the Wronskian.

RGV
 
Hey Ray Vickson,

I appreciate your help. It is just that I haven't tried using greens function to solve an ODE, and therefore would like to see if there is an easier and/or more straightforward way?

Thanks to all in advance.
 
The Wronskian method didn't give me zero. You should find that:

[tex]W(e^{x}, x e^{x}) = e^{2x}[/tex]

Then the integrals are:

[tex]Y_{p}(x) = -e^{x} \int \frac{x e^{x}}{(e^{x}+1)^2}dx + xe^{x} \int \frac{e^{x}}{(e^{x}+1)^2}dx[/tex]
 

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