Help with internal moments = external moments

  • Context: Archived 
  • Thread starter Thread starter urbano
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Internal Moments
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the calculation of internal and external moments for a 2 kg object under acceleration. The participant calculated the forces in both the x and y directions, yielding 60 N.m and 24 N.m respectively. The total internal moments were derived as 630 N, combining the moment about point I and the term Iα. The participant seeks clarification on the relationship between Iα and the moment about point I, questioning the necessity of both calculations for determining internal moments.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Newton's laws of motion
  • Familiarity with moment and torque concepts
  • Basic knowledge of rotational dynamics
  • Ability to perform calculations involving mass, force, and acceleration
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the relationship between torque and moment of inertia in rotational dynamics
  • Learn about the principles of static equilibrium in mechanics
  • Explore the concept of angular acceleration and its implications in physics
  • Investigate the significance of internal versus external forces in mechanical systems
USEFUL FOR

Students studying physics, particularly those focusing on mechanics and dynamics, as well as educators seeking to clarify concepts related to moments and forces in rotational motion.

urbano
Messages
36
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Internal moments need to equal external moments, work out the total of the internal moments. The object has a mass of 2 kg

2cgxziw.jpg


Homework Equations



I have obtained

the moment about I (labelled as MI) + Iα

The Attempt at a Solution



the moment about I (MI)

Force in y direction = 2 kg x 12m/s^2 = 24 N.m
Force in x direction = 2 kg x 30m/s^2 = 60 N.m

(Force y x moment arm x) = 24N.m x 5m = 120 N
(Force x x moment arm y) = 60 N.m x 10m = 600N

120N - 600N = -480 N

Iα = 3kg.m^2 x 10 rad/s^2 = 30 N

sorry I know I may have the units all jumbled

So the total internal moments = 600N + 30N = 630 N

the crunch for me is I don't actually get why the internal moment consists of Iα and the moment about point I.

What is Iα actually telling me ? I interpret it to mean that an object offers I resistance to being moved and it is moving at α, therefore it's force is Iα.

But if that is telling me the torque about that point why do we need to calculate the moment about the point as well to get the internal moment ?

thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
urbano said:
Force in x direction = 2 kg x 30m/s^2 = 60 N.m
I came up with -60 N because inertial reaction force is to the left, and force is expressed in Newtons.
What do diagonal red line and orange horiz. and vert. lines represent?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K