Help with nondimensionalization

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The discussion revolves around the process of nondimensionalization in the context of a neuroscience assignment. The original poster is attempting to rewrite a given equation into its nondimensionalized form by rescaling and shifting variables, but is encountering difficulties with certain terms not disappearing as expected.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of variables in the equation and the implications of choosing specific values for parameters like α and V₀. Questions are raised about how to eliminate certain terms and the conditions under which this can be achieved.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the choice of parameters to simplify the equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution yet.

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Participants note specific conditions such as τₘ > 0, aₗ > 0, and V_C > V_L, which may influence the nondimensionalization process. There is also mention of constant terms that complicate the simplification.

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I am working on an assignment for my neuroscience course, and I'm running into a problem with one question which requires me to rewrite an equation into its nondimensionalized form. The equation is given below.

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and I need to convert it to the form
Screenshot_from_2016_02_23_02_54_11.png


by rescaling and shifting the given variables in the equation as
Screenshot_from_2016_02_23_02_55_40.png


I have already attempted to follow the nondimensionalization procedure given in the Wikipedia article on it, but however I do it, there are some variables on the R.H.S that simply refuse to go away to give me the form required. I'd be grateful for any help. Thanks!
 
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Wiseguy said:
I am working on an assignment for my neuroscience course, and I'm running into a problem with one question which requires me to rewrite an equation into its nondimensionalized form. The equation is given below.

Screenshot_from_2016_02_23_02_51_56.png


and I need to convert it to the form
Screenshot_from_2016_02_23_02_54_11.png


by rescaling and shifting the given variables in the equation as
Screenshot_from_2016_02_23_02_55_40.png


I have already attempted to follow the nondimensionalization procedure given in the Wikipedia article on it, but however I do it, there are some variables on the R.H.S that simply refuse to go away to give me the form required. I'd be grateful for any help. Thanks!
When you replace ##V## by ##\alpha x+ V_0## and ##I_e## by ##\gamma I + I_0## in the equation, what do you get?
Can't you then choose ##\alpha## in such a way that the term in ##x## vanishes?
(Is ##\tau_m>0##?)
 
Samy_A said:
When you replace ##V## by ##\alpha x+ V_0## and ##I_e## by ##\gamma I + I_0## in the equation, what do you get?
Can't you then choose ##\alpha## in such a way that the term in ##x## vanishes?
(Is ##\tau_m>0##?)
Yes, I should have mentioned earlier. ##\tau_m > 0, a_L > 0## and ##V_C > V_L##
 
Wiseguy said:
Yes, I should have mentioned earlier. ##\tau_m > 0, a_L > 0## and ##V_C > V_L##
In that case, why don't you simply do the suggested computation? You will get a term in ##x²## and a term in ##x##. By choosing appropriate values for ##\alpha## and ##V_0## you can make the coefficient of ##x²## equal to 1, and make the term in ##x## vanish.
 
Samy_A said:
In that case, why don't you simply do the suggested computation? You will get a term in ##x²## and a term in ##x##. By choosing appropriate values for ##\alpha## and ##V_0## you can make the coefficient of ##x²## equal to 1, and make the term in ##x## vanish.

I have tried this. Even if the ##x## term vanishes, how about constant terms like ##V_L##, ##V_C##? Also, no value I choose for ##\alpha## is helping me make the current term ##\frac{R_mI_0}{\alpha\tau_m}## vanish simultaneously.
 
Wiseguy said:
I have tried this. Even if the ##x## term vanishes, how about constant terms like ##V_L##, ##V_C##? Also, no value I choose for ##\alpha## is helping me make the current term ##\frac{R_mI_0}{\alpha\tau_m}## vanish simultaneously.
Can you show your calculation, because I think I managed to do it (of course maybe I have an error in my calculation). Don't forget that after having "fixed" ##x## by choosing appropriate ##\alpha,\ V_0##, you can choose ##\gamma## and ##I_0## to get the desired result.
 
Samy_A said:
Can you show your calculation, because I think I managed to do it (of course maybe I have an error in my calculation). Don't forget that after having "fixed" ##x## by choosing appropriate ##\alpha,\ V_0##, you can choose ##\gamma## and ##I_0## to get the desired result.
I can describe the steps I've tried taking so far.

1. Substitute for both ##V## and ##I_e## as given on both sides of the equation.
2. L.H.S then becomes ##\alpha\tau_m\frac{dx}{dt}##, since ##\frac{dV_0}{dt}## term equals 0.
3. Now divide throughout by ##\alpha\tau_m## to get just ##\frac{dx}{dt}## as needed.
4. Substitute for ##\alpha## with ##\frac{\tau_m}{a_L}## to get coefficient of ##x^2## term as 1.

I'm unclear after this. What can I substitute for ##V_0## to make all those terms disappear?
 
Wiseguy said:
I can describe the steps I've tried taking so far.

1. Substitute for both ##V## and ##I_e## as given on both sides of the equation.
2. L.H.S then becomes ##\alpha\tau_m\frac{dx}{dt}##, since ##\frac{dV_0}{dt}## term equals 0.
3. Now divide throughout by ##\alpha\tau_m## to get just ##\frac{dx}{dt}## as needed.
4. Substitute for ##\alpha## with ##\frac{\tau_m}{a_L}## to get coefficient of ##x^2## term as 1.

I'm unclear after this. What can I substitute for ##V_0## to make all those terms disappear?
After setting ##\alpha =\frac{\tau_m}{a_L}##, what is the coefficient of ##x## is your RHS? Can you chose ##V_0## so that the term in ##x## disappears?
 

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