Help with the conventions used for curl operator

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The discussion revolves around the conventions used in the derivation of the curl operator, specifically focusing on the interpretation of incremental lengths and the application of line integrals in the context of vector fields.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the signs associated with incremental lengths in the curl derivation, particularly the distinction between +Δy/2 and -Δy/2. Questions are raised about the rationale behind the line integral being taken in the z direction while the change is noted in the y direction.

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Some participants are seeking clarification on specific components of the derivation, while others have indicated a moment of understanding. The discussion reflects a mix of ongoing confusion and emerging clarity.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be a reliance on external resources for the derivation, and participants are grappling with the conventions and notations used in the context of vector calculus.

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http://web.mit.edu/6.013_book/www/chapter2/2.4.html

I was going through the curl derivation on the above link. How does equation 3 turn out? Δy is the incremental length. But how do you decide whether it is +Δy/2 or -Δy/2. And why is the line integral taken Δz when the change is in the y direction. I am utterly confused :(
 
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ppoonamk said:
http://web.mit.edu/6.013_book/www/chapter2/2.4.html

I was going through the curl derivation on the above link. How does equation 3 turn out? Δy is the incremental length. But how do you decide whether it is +Δy/2 or -Δy/2. And why is the line integral taken Δz when the change is in the y direction. I am utterly confused :(

The component Ay is integrated left-to-right along the bottom of the square (where z = -Δz/2, and y goes from -Δy/2 to +Δy/2), and also along the top of the square from right-to-left.

RGV
 
Sorry I still did not understand you properly :( Please forgive my ignorance about this. What is
+Δy/2 and -Δy/2. Why is the entire Ay compnonent have a 1 sign before it. AT the bottom of the sqyare on the left z is -Δz/2 but the first component of Ay has +Δz/2 term
 
I understood. Thank you :)
 

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