Help with Vector Questions in a Cartesian Coordinate System

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The discussion revolves around vector questions in a Cartesian coordinate system, focusing on finding unit vectors directed from specific points and calculating distances related to those vectors. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding vector representation and directionality.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving vectors A, B, and C and requests assistance with finding unit vectors directed from point A to the origin, point B, and a point equidistant from B and C.
  • Another participant suggests ensuring the vectors are in the correct direction and scaled appropriately.
  • Some participants express confusion over the distinction between a vector and a directed line segment, questioning whether the problem requires a translation of axes or specific coordinates for a directed segment.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to subtract coordinates to find the vector pointing from A to the origin or B, followed by normalization to obtain the unit vector.
  • Concerns are raised about the imprecision in the problem wording, suggesting that it may lead to ambiguity in determining the "correct" answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the problem requirements, particularly regarding the distinction between vectors and directed line segments. There is no consensus on how to approach the problem, highlighting multiple competing views on the correct methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion due to the wording of the problem, which may lead to different interpretations of what is being asked regarding unit vectors and directed segments.

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I'm not sure if it is the right place to post my questions to. please let me know if this should be somewhere else.

1. let each of the vectors

$A=5a_x-a_y+3a_z$
$B=-2a_x+2_ay+4a_z$
$C=3a_y-4a_z$

extend outward from the origin of the cartesian coordinate system to points A,B, And C respectively. find a unit vector directed from point A toward

a.) Origin b.) point B c.) Equidistant from B and C on the line BC. d.) Find the length of the perimeter of the triangle.

2. The vector $R_{ab}$ extends from A(1,2,3) to B. if the length of $R_{ab}$ is 10 units and its direction is given by $a=0.6a_x+0.64a_y+0.48a_z$ Find the coordinates of B.I already answered letter B in prob 1. but got stuck on the remaining items.

please help. thanks!
 
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First of all, get vectors going in the right direction, then scale them to get the right lengths.
 
what do you mean? the vectors already have directions.
 
paulmdrdo said:
I'm not sure if it is the right place to post my questions to. please let me know if this should be somewhere else.

1. let each of the vectors

$A=5a_x-a_y+3a_z$
$B=-2a_x+2_ay+4a_z$
$C=3a_y-4a_z$

extend outward from the origin of the cartesian coordinate system to points A,B, And C respectively. find a unit vector directed from point A toward

a.) Origin b.) point B c.) Equidistant from B and C on the line BC. d.) Find the length of the perimeter of the triangle.

To convert each of the given vectors to unit vectors you would divide each vector by its length.

When they ask for a unit vector from point A to the origin it is hard to know what is wanted since the line of unit length from point A to origin is a directed line segment not a vector. Do they want you to perform a translation of axes so that point A becomes the origin or do they want you to specify the coordinates of a directed line segment of unit length from A towards the origin?

Euclidean vector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As an informational object, the vector is not as informative as a directed line segment (an ordered list of two points [ A , B ]) but rather expresses the displacement, or vector offset (change in location), A --> B.
 
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DavidCampen said:
When they ask for a unit vector from point A to the origin it is hard to know what is wanted since the line of unit length from point A to origin is a directed line segment not a vector. Do they want you to perform a translation of axes so that point A becomes the origin or do they want you to specify the coordinates of a directed line segment of unit length from A towards the origin?
Let's not overthink this. An ordered pair of points determines a vector.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Let's not overthink this. An ordered pair of points determines a vector.

So you are saying that the answer would be to specify coordinates for 2 points - one being point A and the other being a point a unit length along the line segment from point A to the origin? Wouldn't this be a directed line segment, not a vector?
 
DavidCampen said:
So you are saying that the answer would be to specify coordinates for 2 points - one being point A and the other being a point a unit length along the line segment from point A to the origin?
No, the problem statement says, "Find a unit vector directed from point A toward a.) origin, b.) point B, ...". I believe one needs to subtract the coordinates of A from the coordinates of the origin (or B) to get the coordinates of the vector $v$ that points from A to the origin (or B), and then divide those coordinates by the length of $v$ to get the coordinates of the unit vector.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
No, the problem statement says, "Find a unit vector directed from point A toward a.) origin, b.) point B, ...". I believe one needs to subtract the coordinates of A from the coordinates of the origin (or B) to get the coordinates of the vector $v$ that points from A to the origin (or B), and then divide those coordinates by the length of $v$ to get the coordinates of the unit vector.

So that would give us the negative of the unit vector for A but this is directed from the origin away from point A; which is not what the question asks, but yes, it is probably the intended "correct" answer. This is the reason I detest these problems that are worded imprecisely because forcing you to guess at what answer the professor will consider "correct" is the only way to give the problem any difficulty - and then the difficulty is not in the math. If the professor wanted you to supply the negative of the unit vector then that is what should have been asked for.

Now, the problem of finding the number of unique sets of n objects that can be formed by selecting 0 or more of each of n symbols; I thought that that was a fun problem.
 

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