Helping High Schoolers with Physics: Tips and Tricks for Tutoring Success

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around strategies for tutoring high school students in physics, specifically addressing a problem involving a mass on a table connected to a hanging mass via a pulley. The focus is on how to effectively teach concepts such as force diagrams and Newton's laws, as well as how to engage students in learning physics.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Newton's second law to solve for acceleration but notes the student lacks knowledge of force diagrams and tension in the string.
  • Another participant argues that drawing force diagrams is essential and mentions that using Lagrangian mechanics would be too advanced for the student.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of teaching the student how to draw force diagrams, as they are fundamental for high school physics and relevant for the upcoming exam.
  • One participant points out that the student's textbook did not contain a similar problem but had related questions with different mass combinations, raising concerns about the student's expectations regarding mathematical calculations.
  • Another participant suggests reviewing the chapter's approach to similar problems and checking the student's notes to understand the teaching method used in class.
  • One participant proposes that the problem could be viewed as an extension of the Atwood machine problem and discusses the concept of "separable component forces" without delving into the math.
  • Another participant recommends asking the student to explain the method taught in class, as the student may not fully grasp the concepts already covered, including free body diagrams.
  • There is a suggestion that the terminology used (force diagrams vs. free body diagrams) might contribute to the student's confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of teaching force diagrams and understanding the student's current knowledge. However, there are differing opinions on the best approach to take, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective tutoring strategy.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the student's potential lack of exposure to force diagrams and the varying terminology used, which may affect comprehension. There is also uncertainty about the specific methods taught in the student's class and the expectations for mathematical problem-solving.

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I am going to tutor a high school student. I had an initial meeting with him and learned that he is using Conceptual Physics by Paul Hewitt. During the initial consultation, the student had a few questions to ask. It was a typical problem where a mass on the table is attached to a string. The string passes over a pulley at the edge of the table. The other end of the string is attached to a hanging mass. Question is to find the acceleration of the masses. My immediate approach was to use Newton's second law to both masses and solve for acceleration. But the student has never learned how to draw force diagrams. He did not know about the tension on the string. This is my first experience with a high school student although I have college teaching experience. Is there any other approach to this problem?

Also, do you have any advice as to how to help high school students to learn and like physics? In two weeks, the boy has his mid-term test and he needs my help.

Thank you for any suggestions and advice.

Gamma.
 
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I know of no simpler way of approaching this problem than to draw force diagrams. You can do it using Langrangian mechanics, but that'd be way over his head.
 
Gamma said:
Also, do you have any advice as to how to help high school students to learn and like physics?

Teach him how to draw force diagrams. It doesn't take that long and he needs to know how to do them for his exam (force diagrams show up in high school physics.) Look at how his textbook solves the problem and work from there. If it's in his textbook, that's the level he's supposed to be at.
 
Thanks. His book did not have anything similar to this problem. But one of the end of chapter questions was similar to this one. But it had three diagrams with different mass combinations. In diagram 1, the hanging mass is larger than the one on the table. In diagram 2, masses were interchanged. In diagram 3, masses were same. Question was to compare the accelerations. Again, looking at this problem, it occurs to me that the student might not be expected to do the math. But, how else would you do this?

Gamma
 
Gamma said:
But, how else would you do this?

How does the chapter the problem is in approach the other problems in the chapter? Are there any formulas in the chapter? Ask to see his notes (hope he's taken some) and try to sort out how his teacher is teaching this.

The http://www.conceptualphysics.com/links.shtml on the book's webpage suggest using a free body approach.

Another idea is that it's an extension of the atwood machine problem 'cause the table is frictionless. problems
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http://wug.physics.uiuc.edu/cgi/courses/shell/per/phys111/ie.pl?03/IE_2_blocks_edge

I think you're basically supposed to do FBD's without calling them such. You think about "separable component forces" instead and push<->pull. The hanging mass pulls on the other mass, so it's causing the mass to move, but since they have a string connecting them they're moving at the same rate. So if one thing pulls another, how fast do they have to be moving? How do we know this? You're basically just explaining stuff without touching the math too much.
 
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plusplustutor said:
I would ask the student to explain the method they were using in class. There is a chance they were covering force diagrams in class but he just doesn't understand them.

That was exactly my thought as I read the OP. He may need tutoring simply because he doesn't pay enough attention in class to know he's already been taught these basic essentials. And, if for some crazy reason they don't teach them free body diagrams in his class, it sure won't hurt to show him how to use them. If you're calling them "force diagrams," he may also not understand that is the same thing as a "free body diagram" which is what they are more typically called.
 

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