Hi,I need to find a suitable material for o-rings for my rocket.

  • Thread starter Thread starter Aki
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Material Rocket
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable material for o-rings to be used in a rocket's stainless steel combustion chamber, focusing on the requirements for high temperature and pressure resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests specific temperature and pressure values to better assess suitable materials.
  • Another participant explains that the pressure an O-ring can withstand is influenced by the "extrusion gap," which is determined by the hardness of the material.
  • It is suggested that Parker is a leading manufacturer of O-rings and provides various resources for material compatibility and design guidelines.
  • A participant proposes that for high temperatures, Viton may be the best material choice, emphasizing the need for specific pressure and temperature data.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the durability of Parker O-rings under high exhaust gas temperatures and suggests considering a Flexitallic gasket instead.
  • One participant notes that the temperature experienced by the O-ring will depend on its specific placement within the rocket.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best material for the O-rings, with some advocating for Viton and others suggesting alternative solutions like Flexitallic gaskets. There is no consensus on the optimal choice or the specific requirements needed for the application.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific pressure and temperature values, as well as the geometry of the seal, which remain unspecified in the discussion.

Aki
Messages
83
Reaction score
0
Hi,

I need to find a suitable material for o-rings for my rocket. It will be used in the mounting of a stainless steel combustion chamber, so I need the o-ring to be able to withstand high temperature and pressure. Any suggestions?

Thanks
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
Do you have numbers for the temperature & pressure?
 
Hi Aki,
The pressure an O-ring is good for is dependent on something called the "extrusion gap". That's the gap between two parts on the low pressure side of the seal and into which the O-ring is forced (extruded) by the pressure. This gap distance is a function of the O-ring's hardness. The harder the material, the larger the extrusion gap can be. Here's a chart that gives that information: http://www.marcorubber.com/msg-fig6.htm
(They call extrusion gap the "clearance gap" on this web page. And the hardness of the O-ring increases as you go from 60 to 90 shore A.)

If pressure is too high, a backup ring can be used. I've not seen any good sources for this, but I've seen O-rings used up to extremely high pressure with backup rings or with essentially zero extrusion gap.

Regarding materials, Parker is debatably the leading O-ring manufacturer in the world. They have a material compatibility chart here:
http://www.parker.com/o-ring/fcg/fcg.asp

Parker also has a designer handbook available on the net here:
http://www.parker.com/o-ring/Literature/ORD5700.pdf

Visit their website for O-rings here:
http://www.parker.com/ead/cm2.asp?cmid=3106
(they make a vast variety of hydraulic and pneumatic equipment, so you may suddenly find yourself on a different division's web site.)

Take a look on the third line down (black first line, grey second line, white third line) where it has the headings:
O-ring
Products> Services> Literature> Markets> Applications>

And click on Literature which opens up a drop down menu. Each listing takes you to another web page with a bunch of different information on O-rings.

If you have specific questions, I'll try and answer them. As Gokul has suggested, you need to be specific. Pressure and temperature is needed, along with what fluid you're sealing, and if it's a static or dynamic application, a rough sketch of what you're trying to do would help. We might then be able to steer you toward a gland design that would fit your application.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
If it's in a rocket, it's going to be a static application I would assume. The only real question is it going to be a female or male gland or is it a face seal. If it's high temperature, Viton is most likely going to be your best bet. Q has already given you a wealth of o-ring information. Any designer or engineer should have a copy of that Parker reference. It is very informative. Give the pressure and temp numbers along with the geometry of the seal and we'll get you going.
 
Most exhaust gas temperatures are fairly hot... like glowing hot.
I don't think there are any Parker o-rings that would hold up to that for very long. A better application would be to redesign the gland design to accommodate a Flexitallic gasket that is filled with vermiculite that expands upon heating to provide a positive seal.

more info here...
http://www.beltpower.com/images/flexitallic/pdfs/LiteratureHot.pdf
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It all depends on where the o-ring is placed. The entire vehicle will not be at that temperature.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
6K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
5K