Higgs Boson & Relativity: A Layman's Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Higgs Boson and relativity, particularly how the Higgs mechanism fits within the framework of the standard model of particle physics and its implications for gravity. Participants explore the conceptual connections and challenges in reconciling these theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a layman's explanation of how the Higgs Boson relates to the bending of spacetime and questions whether it functions like other force carriers.
  • Another participant notes that the standard model is consistent with special relativity but lacks a complete integration with general relativity, particularly at high energies.
  • A participant mentions that in Yang-Mills gauge theory, particles must be massless without the Higgs mechanism, which allows for mass while maintaining renormalizability.
  • There is a suggestion that while forces in the standard model are unified, gravity remains unconnected, and various theories like quantum gravity and quantum field theory are attempting to address this unification.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the connection between the Higgs boson and general relativity, stating that if a connection exists, it is not well understood.
  • A later reply questions the role of the Higgs Boson in particle physics, implying it may serve to satisfy particle physicists rather than directly connect to relativity.
  • Another participant inquires about string theory and loop quantum gravity's perspectives on the Higgs Boson.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Higgs Boson and general relativity, with some suggesting a lack of connection while others propose ongoing efforts to reconcile these theories. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the Higgs mechanism for gravity.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the Higgs mechanism and its role in mass generation, as well as the incomplete understanding of how general relativity integrates with the standard model at high energies.

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Hello,

I am looking for a layman's description of how the Higgs Boson is related to relativity, I've searched the forum and google but can't seem to find an answer.

As I understand it the HB doesn't contradict the geometric interpretation of gravity (Spacetime bending and all that). So what I am curious about is how the boson actually does the "bending" and whether it works like the other force carriers or is some altogether different animal.

Thanks for any answers!

P.S. My guess is that the HB associates with other particles giving them mass and then via the Higgs Field influences (bends) spacetime itself. Is that along the right tracks?
 
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The Higgs is part of the standard model of particle physics which is only consistent with special relativity (ie. relativity without gravity). There is only a partial low-energy theory of how general relativity ties in with the standard model, and people are still working on what should happen at high energies.
 
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The Higgs is part of the standard model of particle physics which is only consistent with special relativity (ie. relativity without gravity). There is only a partial low-energy theory of how general relativity ties in with the standard model, and people are still working on what should happen at high energies.

Interesting, could you elaborate a little please?

Could you give me the gist of how they think the standard model might tie into relativity then?

Also, if the HB was not introduced to tie relativity to the standard theory why is it needed? Why can mass not simply be a property of fundamental particles?

Thanks again
 
As I recall, in a Yang-Mills gauge theory without Higgs or some other mechanism to take its place, all particles must be massless in order for the theory to be renormalizable. The Higgs mechanism gives particles mass while still allowing the theory to be renormalizable.
 
Could you give me the gist of how they think the standard model might tie into relativity then?

Forces in the standard have been glued together in a unified framework...but gravity has NOT yet been reconciled with those forces...quantum gravity, quantum field theory and other approaches are making an attempt to make that unification...

For a nice visual representation, try reading Michio Kaku's HYPERSPACE ...under the Chapter EINSTEINS REVENGE, Dr Kaku lays out an N X N matrix...the upper left corner is Einsteins Gravity; Maxwell's equations are adjacent formulations in the same matrix..similarly he illustrates nuclear force,matter,etc in other blocks of the matrix...but the approach is illustrative, not mathematical and with a basic understanding of the components, it ties the pieces together very nicely...

PS: The Higgs boson and general relativity are not connected... or if they are nobody knows how...
The Higgs particle (or Higgs field) theoretically generates symmetry breaking and is therefore is origin of the mass of quarks...all particles with mass owe it to the theoretical Higgs particle...the graviton (the quantum manifestation of gravity) like the photon (the quantum manifestation of the electromagnetic field) has no mass...
 
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Hmm ok, so the HB is pretty much for keeping particle physicists happy.

Then I assume string theory/loop gravity are the theories trying to bring in relativity... soo do they have anything to say on the higgs boson?
 

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