High School Physics: Doppler Effect

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the Doppler Effect in the context of sound, specifically relating to an automobile approaching a listener while sounding its horn. The original poster is tasked with determining the speed of sound based on the perceived and actual frequencies of the horn.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rearrange the Doppler Effect formula to isolate the speed of sound but encounters difficulties due to the presence of multiple 'speed of sound' variables. Some participants provide feedback on the formula's notation and suggest algebraic manipulation to facilitate solving for the speed of sound.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with participants offering clarifications on the formula and algebraic strategies. The original poster expresses gratitude for the guidance received, indicating a positive direction in the conversation.

Contextual Notes

The problem is set within a Grade 11 Physics context, which may impose certain constraints on the complexity of the mathematical approaches discussed.

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Homework Statement




An automobile is approaching you at a speed of 60.0 km/h and sounding its horn. The fundamental frequency of the horn sounds to you like 388 Hz. If the real fundamental frequency of the horn is 369 Hz, what is the speed of sound?


Homework Equations



Doppler Frequency = (speed of sound / (speed of sound - speed of source)) source frequency

fd = (vw/ vw - vs) fs

The Attempt at a Solution



What I'm having trouble with is rearranging the formula to solve for the speed of sound. Because there is two 'speed of sound' variables, you either end up dividing one by the other, and eliminating all variables; or subtracting one from the other, and (once again) eliminating all variables. As far as I can see, it's not possible?

Could someone help me out with rearranging this formula properly?

In case anyone's wondering, it's Grade 11 Physics.
 
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You have the formula written down wrong.

You wrote:

fd = (vw/ vw - vs) fs

It's supposed to be:

fd = (vw / (vw - vs)) fs

Good luck!
 
Try multiply both sides of the equation (when its written up correctly as Tusike noted) with vw-vs. The resulting equation should now be easier to solve for vw.
 
Thanks a lot! I got the correct answer, thanks to both of those pieces of advice.
 

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