High School Physics: Projectiles at Angles

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a ball rolling off an inclined plane at a speed of 22 m/s, with the incline set at an angle of 32 degrees and a height of 9.0 m above the ground. Participants are tasked with determining how far from the base of the incline the ball will land.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the placement of angles in the diagram and the implications for calculating the vertical and horizontal components of velocity. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the angles and the relationships between them. Some participants suggest using kinematic equations to find the time the ball is in the air.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing suggestions and clarifications regarding the diagram and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of kinematic equations, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly interpreting the angles in the diagram, as well as the need to find the time of flight to calculate the horizontal distance traveled. There is mention of the challenge in manipulating equations relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement



"A ball rolls off an incline plane. The speed of the ball is 22m/s and the plane is inclined at 32 degrees to the horizontal.If the incline is 9.0m above the ground, how far from the base of the incline will the ball hit the floor?" (The rounded answer is supposed to be 11m)
There is also a diagram that goes with this question, which I have attached a picture of.

Homework Equations



Cosθ, sinθ, or tanθ?

The Attempt at a Solution



The rounded answer is supposed to be 11m.
The closest answer I got to this was 10.6126...m which I accidentally got by 9/(cos32). After thinking it over, I realized that I was calculating the length of the ball's vertical path (according to my understanding of the diagram. I drew what I believed to be the correct diagram and attached it, but I don't think it is right anymore.) I'm mostly confused about the placement of the 32° because, from my understanding, I think it has to be placed at another part of the diagram, other than on the roof.
Thank you in advance!
 

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Your supplied diagram is upside-down.
 
Your diagram is fine. What are the horizontal and vertical components of the velocity as the ball leaves the incline? How long will it take to hit the ground? Pls show all your working.
 
those two angles can't be 32 can they with a 90 in the center? if one is 32 the other has to be 58
 
462chevelle said:
those two angles can't be 32 can they with a 90 in the center? if one is 32 the other has to be 58

They're in two separate triangles, it's fine.

EDIT:

lol after holding my head upside down I see your point now. I'm thinking that his drawn-in 32 degree angle should be 58 degrees, like you said.
 
ya. the hyp. is a 180 angle and has 3 angles that must =180
 
Thank you for your suggestions. I will try them and see if I can figure it out!
 
This time I tried putting the 32° in the bottom right hand corner. (I attached the picture of my new diagram)
Then, I solved for the Vertical velocity of the ball by using sinθ= Vv(vertical velocity)/Vr(resultant velocity).
I got Vv= (sin 32)(22m/s). With this I got the answer of 11.6582...m/s for the vertical velocity.
Then I figured out the horizontal velocity (Vh) by using cosθ=Vh/Vr
With the substitutions and some manipulation it became Vh= (cos32°)(22m/s) which equals 18.657...m/s.
I was thinking of using the formula d=vt+1/2at^2 to find the time (to multiply with the horizontal velocity to get the total horizontal distance) but then I realized that I would have to know the quadratic formula to do so... Which I don't...
So I was wondering if there's any other formula I could use to solve for time and if what I have done so far is correct. Thanks again!
 

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Gemini, could you please post pictures that are not upside down? Thanks.
 
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¡sʞuɐɥʇ ˙ɹǝısɐǝ ɥɔnɯ sʇןnsǝɹ ɹnoʎ buıʇǝɹdɹǝʇuı puɐ buıpɐǝɹ sǝʞɐɯ ʇı ؛ʇı ǝʇɐıɔǝɹddɐ ʎןןɐǝɹ pןnoʍ ǝʍ
 
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Sorry about that, I'll attach another picture that's hopefully not upside-down.
 

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Geminiphysics said:
Sorry about that, I'll attach another picture that's hopefully not upside-down.

Better :approve:

So you know the initial velocity in the y-direction, the height in the y-direction (9m), the acceleration (obviously 9.8 m/s2 due to gravity), and what you really want to find is the time that the ball is in the air, because knowing the time and velocity of the ball (in the x-direction) allows for a simple computation to find its distance traveled.

Look for kinematics equations that will allow for you to find the time that the ball is in the air using the information that you do have (edit: I won't supply you with them because a majority of the difficulty in these problems is knowing how to manipulate the equations you have, and to be able to recognize which equations are useful in which situations. Good luck! :smile:)
 
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Thank you everyone! I finally figured out the answer! I appreciate all of your time and help!
 
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awesome.
 

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